Over data AGAIN

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I sat down at my computer last night and my internet was painfully slow ... as usual,  Then I get the redirect.  I am over data ... AGAIN!  Quick check and my "speed" if you can call it that was 121 Kbps.  Right now is better, 232 Kbps but its far from peak hours.  My regular speeds are usually slow,  last week at 2 AM during my LNFZ my "speed" was only 3.8 Mbps  WOO HOO!

Last month was 7 days before my end date, this month 10 days.  No email notification, no 70% warning email ... AGAIN!  We have tried several times to figure out why I stopped getting the emails and fix the problem, but still nothing.  I still get my bill in my email every month though!

Of course I want to know WHAT is using my data, but sitting here I ask myself HOW is it using my data???   The weather has been terrible, ungodly rain and heat.  3 or 4 days the past month it seemed every time I sat at the PC another round of storms rolled through and no internet.  One day we had no power all day.  I have breathing issues so the hot and humid days confined me to the A/C making my computer room "off limits" and when I was able to get on, it was SO PAINFULLY SLOW I couldnt do a lot.  I normally have no problem with my data lasting "me" the month.  This month Ive probably done less than half my normal usage, so what program could be running using twice the data I am?

Oh well I guess the time has come to finally up my data.  The Hughesnet installer will be here a week from today, I CANT WAIT!  Good bye Viasat, its been a long run, but after the past year or more I cant say it was a good one.  I have been procrastinating for too long, 121 Kbps last night sealed the deal and I grabbed the phone.
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Unfortunately, as time goes on, there are more things that run in the background that we have to then discover.  It seems like every few Windows updates there's another entry in my Glasswire that wasn't there before, and using data automatically.  

The two main possibilities is that something is still using data that you aren't aware of, or that your data usage is increasing due to some sort of connection issue, whether that be a shoddy WiFi connection, or even packet loss due to a weak dish "connection" to the satellite.  

BTW, what size plan did you choose with HughesNet?  Just curious.  I've got the 20GB plan, and it works well enough for me.  
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Well, each member had to make an investment upfront, many had to help put the poles and wires in place and the cost was hardly low at the outset.
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@ExSat, my area was one of the last to get electricity in the late 1940s. It was a long, slow process to get the rural people of the county powered up.
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Voyager, no cable AT ALL, DSL provided by the phone company stops 4 1/2 miles from me ironically at my wifes parents house, yet theres only 8 houses between us.  The phone company says past their house is too far from the "hub", the current wiring wont handle it, and the revenue generated would not justify the cost to run new wire and install booster stations.

Cell service has gotten "better" and if you are lucky up stairs (road level) in the south facing window you can usually make a call, but only on a Verizon network FORGET AT&T.  Out front "up" on the road you can make a call, about 500 yards in either direction, then you are DONE, 6 miles east since the village put a cell on the water tower, or 15 miles north or south to a city, west NOTHING, flat tire, breakdown, accident you either pray somebody comes along or START WALKING.

fmj77 beautiful country down there!  The Carolinas, Tenn, Virginia, I am privileged to have been to 47 of our 50 states so far and NOTHING prepared me for "here".  What you think you know about "Rural Appalachia" is just the tip of the iceberg, and right here where the rust belt and coal belt intersect is horrible.  I would say the inner city slums have nothing on us, but they do!  At least they have cable TV, DSL, cell service, public water and sewer, mass transit, or they can walk to a store.  In some places here the living conditions, schools, drugs, and crime are just as bad if not worse.

I am old,  its just me and the wife (shes from here) so I stay.
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I dont know when power got run out here.  I was "told" my house was built in 1900 by the grandfather of who we bought it from.  The deed has his name and 1900 on it, but I have recently found it on an 1880 map owned by someone else???

Indoor plumbing and electricity were just installed in the 90s, the 1990s LOL  and my house is still plumbed for gas lighting although it is now abandoned.  There is a well under the floor in the mud room off my kitchen so you didnt have to go outside in winter to gather water.
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Power got initiated in rural areas with the Rural Electrification Act in the 30's. The government issued low interest loans that were paid back over decades.

The whole issue started because corporations couldn't justify the investment to deliver a utility to rural folks. (Sound familiar?)

The government keeps trying with bills. Will anything get passed? And you will suck up the grant money? Wireless? Hughesnet/Viasat again?
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GabeU Yes, I went with the 20 G plan, twice the data as my Exede 10/12 plan and twice the "up to" speed ...  FOR THE SAME PRICE.  (@ $100 a month) After the 1st year it goes up $5 for the lease and $10 for the phone.

I am on a fixed income and my Viasat cycle ends on the 12th so I waited until now to time everything, then the promotion of $20 off a month the first year ended June 26!!  I was so mad!  I was discussing it with the wife and contemplating waiting to see if they started a new promo next week, next month etc, I WAS GOING TO THE HUGHESNET SITE WHEN I GOT THE OVER DATA NOTICE!

I told the wife THATS IT IM DONE!!  I expressed my concern to the salesman about a promo starting right after I sign up, but there was nothing he could do.  He did give us a complimentary $50 off our first month though!

I think I narrowed down my data hog.  I think its my anti virus (AVG) or a android emulator called Bluestacks.  I cant seem to find a way to limit their access to the internet.  Going over data never bothered me when it was rare, the last day or 3 before my cycle ends, or when I was getting 1 - 3Mbps when restricted, but this past year that its longer and more frequent and my "restricted" speeds are below 1Mbps  and I told Viasat many times I REFUSE to pay more money for more priority data at 2 - 5Mbps when I am 1 - 3 restricted  ITS NEARLY THE SAME!   So their "solution" was to throttle my restricted speed bellow 1 and prioritize me so my "internet" is USELESS when restricted now.  And lets not forget the redirects now to remind me I am over data.
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Hey Ron, where do you live? I thought through out my life I have lived in plenty of places out in the sticks from up in in So Cal mountains and down in the deserts to the woods of Central Va, but it seems you live in the middle of Siberia.
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Hey Ron, I drove through Ohio once, on I-70, sorry about everything. Strange that you are in an isolated area and it has high crime. I am isolated and crime is low here. There is lots of unoccupied land where I am at and the average home is on 10 acres. Hunting and gun laws are very lax in this and the surrounding counties. I can legally shoot right off my back porch, I hear gun shots daily from hunters and target shooters. I think that keeps everyone around me safe.
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The area is high crime because of what the county exports. Nothing down there as far as real jobs, unless you work for the government. One of the poorest counties in the state, but not THE poorest.

My doctor did his residency in the area we are talking about. Told me the story that brought their 16 year old daughter to him because she COULDN'T get pregnant. Yea.
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GabeU  this "section" of my road with 12 houses is 2 miles, its a mile off the state road before the first one.  Then it turns hard right and changes to gravel another 2 miles.  On that far end there are 6 more houses, mostly cousins to the guy beside me whose grandparents lived in the house on the very corner down there.  The state cop bought the house behind me after my neighbors father died ... thats 3 generations on the same road, unless you count the adjoining road across the hollar where his brother, his kids, and grandkids live, thats 5 generations in the same neighborhood ... YEA its THAT tight out here!

Will, its the isolation out here that protects us.  When you get in the populated areas where there are a lot of welfare and rental  properties and people dont have "roots" the drugs and theft are horrible.  Out here its crimes of opportunity, if some low life scum is just "cruising" the area and something is out where it can be grabbed, it probably will be.  Last year one of my neighbors lost a 4 wheeler that broke down in his field.  Just last week I lost a trailer parked in the weeds by my neighbors barn.
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Here, houses average over a mile apart, often considerably more than that, very rarely is there more than one in close proximity, except for families, sometimes a kid will put in a house when they are working on the farm/ranch.  My neighbor is over a mile away.  Average property size is about 1200 acres, and less than 2 people per square mile.  70 miles to a movie theater or Walmart.  Very minimal crime, not much with drugs, etc.  The village is 15 miles away, probably less than 200 people by now, a one register probably less than 1500 sq. ft. grocery store is the only retail business other than a gas station (a couple tractor repair/welding places).
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I live on a 1/2 mile long gravel road in the woods with only one other house on it. The road dead ends at a river. It does get some traffic as the neighbor at the end of the road sells baked goods, vegetables and plants they grow. I leave my keys and wallet in my vehicle and the house and shop unlocked. Nothing missing in almost 10 years.
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I don't believe any of you all are as isolated as I am. I have 2 neighbors within a mile and all of our property is surrounded by several thousand acres of National Forest. So basically, no development allowed which is fine by me.
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Its not the isolation or the seclusion that is the issue.  Yea its 20 miles to anything here, but when there are 10 or 12 STATE ROUTES closed or down to one lane right now within that 20 miles due to slips, landslides or washouts, and thats just what they deem "unsafe".  I am sick off the bills the past 7 years for ball joints, tie rod ends, shocks, struts, wheel bearing hubs, springs, shackles, spring hangers, tires, rims, or my 1 ton Dodge Cummins I just got rid of with a broken frame!  We had one bump so bad out here 3 of us had broken radiators the same week.  The hit was so hard the plastic tank separated from the aluminum core.

Cell service doesnt bother me.  I hate phones.  Before I "retired" I carried 3 of them, now I dont even own one, my wife has a smart phone and I dont even know how to work it.

I knew full well I was stuck out here with satellite TV.  No big deal, I was with DirecTV Oct 11 1994, the day after they started service.  Now I am disgusted paying out the butt for the same stinking shows over and over all day long!  Cut the cord everybody says, watch what you want when you want online ... I CANT BECAUSE I HAVE SATELLITE INTERNET!!

So yea, I pay out the butt for satellite internet, and cant do half what people with normal internet can do!  ITS PITIFUL!  5 AM Sunday morning right now still in my LNFZ and I have 6 Mbps (the highest I seen in over a week!) but I am in restriction so about an hour from now that will drop to around 200 Kbps.

They brag about providing "unlimited high speed internet" to rural subscribers that performs better than DSL???  Its anything but unlimited, anything but high speed, and doesnt perform worth a crap!!  Yet they charge us out the nose for it!  I am on a fixed income and I get by.  I dont mind paying for special things to supplement my chosen lifestyle out here, BUT I WANT SOMETHING IN RETURN FOR MY MONEY!!!
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Voyager I guess I look at it differently.  When I was "able" to work I mainly did heavy construction, dump trucks, heavy equipment operator etc   There were no set hours and there was ALWAYS something that needed done.  Over my life I became a "decent" mechanic, body man, welder, you name it and if my current employer didnt have extra work, somebody else did.  I never had problems coming up with "extra" money.  At one time I worked my "regular" job 11 hours a day 5 days a week, and hooked up a 3rd shift highway project 10 hours a night.  It was hell, but I was younger and healthier then and really liked those paychecks!

As for my "choices" you are 100% correct ... I CHOSE to pay a premium price for the privilege of what they claim is unlimited high speed internet that can do anything DSL can do, when the only factual part of that statement is the PREMIUM PRICE!
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Sometimes I wish I was more like my neighbor, who couldn't care less about internet. He pays all of his bills the old fashioned way through the USPS or in cash. No smartphone either, just a regular old flip phone.
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I think what you get in rural areas varies quite a bit through out the USA. I have a customer that lives in a town of 1,000 people in Montana. He says he is 75 miles from the nearest town that has a Home Depot. I am only 25 miles away from a town with a Home Depot, they got government grants for hard wired broadband, piped in natural gas and water. All I got is electricity, a well and wireless internet.

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I got a flip phone, problem is I am self employed. I need the internet to interact with customers and order business supplies. People assume these days you have good reliable internet, if you don't, business wise you are at a big disadvantage. I own a small machine shop. I don't think I could tell a prospective customer to snail mall a blueprint to me and I will quote their job.
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My neighbor is retired so he doesn't have to worry about snail mail being slow.
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How is this for spectacular performance?
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I still am shocked how you can even test that low. When mine was real bad with Viasat it always timed out.
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Something tells me that the 38,000 number is just a tad bit off.  Especially considering they've done 1000 tests in 20 minutes, and at 8:30AM to 8:50AM, EST.   

They still may not do as many as speedtest, but I wouldn't count on that meaning that speedtest is better.  speedtest is simply the first one that comes up in a search, so more people will use it.  testmy.net showed up on page 3 in a Google search for "speed test". 
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The gold standard for testing SATELLITE internet. I could care less what the rest of the world uses since most of the world fortunately does not have satellite internet.
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Speedtest works great on satellite and all other forms of networks I have used it on. DSL, Cable, fiber.
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Speedtest works great on satellite 
ViaSat and some HughesNet.  There are other HughesNet users that it doesn't work for, either.  Not all, but some.  And with the ones I have I have seen use it, the upload is almost always wrong for them, too.  I don't know why that is, but for some reason it just doesn't test HughesNet's upload speed properly, or it at least gives erroneous results.
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Each speed testing site has their own methodologies to test speed. Some work well on satellite, others don't.

The most accurate I have found is testmy.net.
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FINALLY!  Viasat is gone. Just got a reading at 4PM during peak time of 16 Mbps!  My last reading on Viasat ... 124 Kbps.

Looked at TestMy net history, I checked my speed 20 times in the past month, only 7 were above 5 Mbps, only two of them were over 10, and all of them were during my LNFZ.  The funny thing is I know I had two additional readings not on the graph, 78 Kbps and 67 Kbps little over a week ago.  Do they not record readings below 100 Kbps?

As soon as the installer left we called to terminate Viasat.  They honestly tried to keep us by offering us $30 a month off "unlimited" can you believe it?  THEY JUST DONT GET IT!!!  Why would  I pay more money for more data at 3 - 4 Mbps??  (If Im lucky)  Even my LNFZ speeds suck lately, yea its the ONLY time I see "decent" speeds, but last week at 2:30 AM in the heart of my LNFZ 3.8 Mbps???

Then to top it all off I JUST caught a new (to me) ad on TV  Viasat "Fast For All" campaign.  Like where you live but want to stay connected?  Now you can with Viasat "super fast, unlimited data" internet.  I laughed so hard my sides still hurt!

PITIFUL!
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Yes, latency makes a big difference. I wish wireless were an option where I live, but I am over the hill from the nearest cell tower and barely can send messages. Most cell calls drop before the call can be completed. The good news is that fiber is coming and then life will be grand from an internet perspective.
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Anyone who recommends that a neighbor with DSL that is good enough to stream video should switch to Viasat should be strung up by their finger nails! You must have REALLY disliked those neighbors!
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OMG I WISH I COULD GET WIRELESS HERE!  I am on Social Security, my wife is disabled, we qualify for internet subsidized by the state of Ohio for $14.99 a month IF there was a tower nearby to get sufficient signal!

Ironically I also qualified for the infamous "Obama phone" but I dont own a cell phone, there is no signal here, and I dont go out much so I had an option to get $15 a month landline phone service (I had Exede voice) or get $15 a month off my internet bill.  Viasat does not participate in the program.
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10 years ago I drove from Colorado back to Ohio. I had cell service the entire way, until 3 miles from my home!!!
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Voyager ??  No DSL out here.  NOTHING OUT HERE thats why they moved.

Bank wanted @$100K for a 125 yr old house that needs work, needs a $20K septic system, water has to be trucked in, no central air OR HEAT (gas fired space heaters in each room) no cell service, no cable TV and no DSL.

They put that $100K toward a house in the 21st century.