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The day where satellite internet becomes obsolete may just be the best day of my life. I‘m holding out for the day where satellite internet, and the companies who market it, go down the same hole dial up did. There will come a day where rural areas will have options, and Viasat will either start caring about their customers or slowly fizzle out.

To be perfectly honest, I’m not sure who, if anyone from Viasat will read this, not that it matters. Anyone who is responsible for the way this company treats their customers should already know just how utterly sad the situation is. During this time where internet access is especially necessary to families literally everywhere, you have done nothing to help. It’s at a point where many of your customers have no hope, especially in areas where there are no other options for internet access. Your policies for data caps and throttling are unclear and abusive, and you should be in deep trouble just for that alone. You advertise your plans with priority data, and then throttling “in times of network congestion.” Well, nowhere does it say that your times of network congestion will be 24/7, and our speeds will be throttled to an unusable 0.01 Mbps or less. This is the situation that many people, including myself, are stuck in right now. The fact that you’re doing this to your customers during times like this is utterly atrocious, and you should be deeply ashamed.
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Shame on Viasat for not launching a third satellite as soon as the COVID19 pandemic started!
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I agree with the complaints about Viasat.  When we signed up with them they misled us by saying their speeds were faster than the provider we had at the time and that when we reached our data limit with Viasat it would not be bad speeds that we would get.  Neither have turned out to be true.  Even before we exceeded our data, we were getting constant messages that our internet was unstable. Now that we have exceeded it, the speed is awful, making working from home very difficult in these times of shelter at home.  The service person who installed the dish and modem was surly and since then if has been difficult to get in touch with customer service - long wait times.
If enough people complain maybe Viasat will listen.
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Not really.  Viasat can't do anything about it right now.

The answer is something other than GEO satellite internet.  Whether that will be LEO satellite internet, fixed wireless, mobile wireless, or hard wired internet, any of these options can be better than Viasat and Hughesnet. 
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Even if they could fire up satellites like bottle rockets it would not be a smart business move to spend millions and millions of dollars to add capacity to handle a temporary situation. Just like you won't see Acme Toilet Paper Company building a new double sized factory next to their current location.
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Pepto Bismol!
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Although in fairness Viasat doesnt have enough bandwidth to support the average household usage needs under normal circumstances either.
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Service started with great promise, but this was rapidly defeated by the FlexNet (ATT&T DSL) implementation.  Note: I got rid of AT&T Uverse because it was so pathetic.  I unplugged that hardware and the system worked more or less fine until Friday (5/1/2020).  The internet overall became slower and video streaming became "water torture".  Viasat, at minimum, should inform us of "problems" and refund a portion of the fees (twice as expensive as ATT&T Uverse) as compensation.  This is a time when remote access is essential to both our physical and mental health.  
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@Garylord This is a serious question: What would you have Viasat do?
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Thank you for a serious reply, what I would appreciate is if they throttled users down to a limit of 1-2 mbps at most, that way it’s still usable at least
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That assumes that a lot of users are getting more than 2 Mbps of speed now. I am not sure that is the case. If there aren’t a lot of users getting more than the 1-2 range you suggest, where does that bandwidth come from? Just for the record, most evenings of late, I have been lucky to have 0.5 Mbps and often get 0.1 to 0.3 Mbps.
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I don't disagree with you Gaylord.  The problem is Viasat couldn't even provide me 1 - 2 Mbps in GOOD times, let alone now.

If you have an alternative to satellite internet, that is your best option available today.
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what I would appreciate is if they throttled users down to a limit of 1-2 mbps at most, that way it’s still usable at least
They probably can't legally do so.  And if they could, it's likely that the majority of people would want major discounts for not even having the possibility of attaining their advertised plan speeds, nor anywhere close to it.  And if they did that, the company would likely implode in short order.  
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These satellite internet companies need to be regulated to where an advertised speed is guaranteed. Fall below that speed and your bill gets a credit. This will prevent the bandwidth from being oversold.
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These satellite internet companies need to be regulated to where an advertised speed is guaranteed.
An impossible thing to do, as no subscribers are going to want to pay upwards of $1000 or more per month for service, which is what would be required to make up for the loss in revenue that would occur with having to considerably limit the number of subscribers. 
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If speeds cannot be guaranteed then they shouldn't advertise it. Obviously the satellite technology is not available for a descent service at a decent price. Look to the coming generations of 5g.
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Here is an interesting tidbit of information.  Did you know that your confirmed seat on an airplane isn't guaranteed?
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I count on it! I’ve gotten several nice awards from Delta that way.
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They don't guarantee speeds though
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And neither does Viasat.
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I agree 100% with @Gaylord.  This is crap! Less than two hours outside of DC and no good alternative to Satellite ISP's......pathetic.(I know this is not Viasat's issue, I chose to live here).  I will say this to @Gaylord, if you think Viasat is bad, you should try HughesNet.  To see the comments, "what would you have Viasat do?" Um, I'd have them provide a service that was worth the ridiculous amount of money that has to be paid to use it. (And if you're one of the people defending Viasat, it's because you either work for them and it's your job to argue with customers to make other customers feel guilty or you only use the internet to play solitaire). COVID-19 aside, I work from home 100% of the time and a good ISP is a must. So, to blame congestion is BS.  If you're going to charge close to $200 for the Ultimate Gold Plan, there should be no data cap where you're "prioritized" into less than 2Mbps download speed and then call it "Unlimited".  I feel for every employee of Viasat when alternatives become available! Maybe the solitaire players will stay or Viasat can go service third world countries where there is NO internet service! Guarantee speeds??? Of course they cannot guarantee speeds.  If they guaranteed speeds, their entire technical support and sales teams would stroke out, because all they know how to say is either A) "you've exceeded your monthly data cap and you are placed in a lower priority for data usage" or B) "there are too many users sharing the beam right now and congestion is slowing down the service". Both are things that can only be told to people have no other options! I've never been treated badly by customer service; I just feel bad when I'm talking to them because I can't understand a damn word they're saying and I constantly have to ask them to repeat themselves. Then, with the language barrier, they can't pick up sarcasm so they have no clue what customers are really saying.
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Another person who refuses to believe how satellite internet service cannot be compared to any other type. All the complaining in the world isn't going to bring the cost of providing the service down to where it can compete on pricing with other types of internet service. It cost $27,000 a mile to lay fiber optic cable, in many areas that distance can cover 100's to 1,000's of customers. You can erect a cell tower for $200,000. Satellite providers don't have that luxury of low per customer expense.
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Do the math...

Viasat has 400 Gbps (or 400,000 Mbps) capacity spread over 2 satellites (excluding a minimal amount usable on 2 much older birds). They have 586,000+ residential subscribers. Assuming that it were possible (and it's not practical) to equitably allocate that capacity evenly to each residential subscriber, what's the minimum "speed" they could guarantee you? Where would commercial and government services go? Assuming you want a guaranteed minimum of greater than .68 Mbps, how many subscribers could be supported at that minimum "speed" and would you be willing to pay what Viasat would need to charge to maintain its revenues. Where would those displaced subscribers go? Lets use your 2Mbps suggestion whic would support a max of 200,000 subscribers... where would the other 386,000+ subscribers go? would you be willing to pay nearly three times what your paying now so Viasat could make up for lost revenue?

It's simple supply and demand - Viasat sells shared bandwidth not dedicated bandwidth. With a minimum guarantee you're asking for dedicated bandwidth -  reserved for your exclusive use at any time otherwise there's no guarantee. When demand exceeds supply, it's called congestion and demand is up right now.    

Not defending Viasat, not an employee, not an apologist - just a realist. 

So the serious question still remains... what would you have Viasat do? They can't increase supply so you're left with options to decrease demand.
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You make a valid point Homeskillet.  Here's the problem with your logic though.  You can't have your cake and eat it too!  Meaning, you shouldn't suck and be ridiculously expensive too! (unless there are no other options) Be expensive, I don't care, but provide service that is satisfies all customer needs.  At times, when I'm not over my data cap, I've had download speeds over 40 Mbps, which more than meets my needs.  My issue is that it's capped.  I'm paying premium prices, don't try to trick me with catchy marketing phrases like "Unlimited" and "Up to" xxx Mbps download speeds.  That is all BS, the technology is there, this is the business that Viasat has chosen to compete in.  The good thing for Viasat is that the competition sucks worse than Viasat.  The problem is not Viasat technology, the problem is lack of good competition.  I guarantee, the first good alternative to satellite internet that comes around, your employer will have to rethink their strategy. It is funny how you mention "another person who refuses to believe....". Do they not call themselves an ISP? I just did a google search for ISP's in my area and you'll never guess what showed up?  Why can I not compare them to other ISP's if they're going to market themselves as the same thing? I moved from SC where my only best option for internet was DSL and it was crappy too but it was truly unlimited. The speeds were only up to 20 Mbps download but it was ALWAYS the same speed, regardless of the data usage.  Don't say "Unlimited" if you don't mean it.  So, between 0 and 100 GB, Viasat can supply me with relatively fast service that meets my needs, but goto 100.1 GB and all of a sudden I'm a lower priority......BS.  That's my problem.  That just means that the organization is unwilling to spend the money to do whatever they need to do to meet customer needs.  Put up a couple more satellites or whatever the heck needs to be done.  If people don't complain, the status quo doesn't change.  I understand where people may not want the change because then they'd lose all of these wonderful blog jobs where they get paid to stroke the egos of industries that are dying off! I'm sure a cost benefit analysis was conducted and the cost of our complaints amount to nothing because we have no other choice!   
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Put up a couple more satellites or whatever the heck needs to be done.
That's exactly what they're doing - 3 to be exact. It'll take some time (over the next couple years) however. The question is what do they do right now?

Someone disagreeing with your thought process is not automatically a paid shill or an employee. Homeskillet is most definitely not.

The technology is not currently there some 22,000 miles above the equator. It take time to build it and then get it there and capacity is fixed at launch. Spending some $625 million for each of the satellites doesn't sound like an unwillingness to do what is needed but is likely too little too late.       
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@Ron It is unfortunate that you don’t understand how satellite network technology works. The reason you get more speed when under the cap is that others are getting less speed. Once you hit your cap, you get less so that there is bandwidth available for another customer who just got their new monthly allocation. It really is a pretty simple concept once you think about it a little. I am sure customers are staggered on when they get a new data allocation so that not everyone is under their cap at the same time.
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Are you serious viastat sucks ! I am on the top plan and still have issues it’s annoying !
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Are you serious viastat sucks ! I am on the top plan and still have issues it’s annoying !
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Patricia, what are the issues you are having?

Have you exceeded your priority data?
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the tv has buffered from day 1 and they refuse to send a tech out, I have an unlimited plan so data is not an issue because if buffering causes data use. I pay to watch a tv buffer. I cannot hook any other devices up to this internet because not even one tv will work
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I was sold this crap right before COVID and it didn't work then either
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Patricia DeNardo...
I have an unlimited plan so data is not an issue because if buffering causes data use. 
It doesn't, or at least not any more data than normal.  In other words, unless there is some type of technical issue, such as a signal or equipment issue that's causing dropped data packets, which is unlikely, a movie that's buffering every few seconds doesn't use any more data than if the same movie played all the way through without any buffering at all.  If the movie takes 1.5GB to stream, it will be 1.5GB whether it takes ninety minutes to stream or three hours because of frequent buffering.  

One other thing to keep in mind is that Unlimited Plans have a maximum streaming resolution.  Depending on what your plan is, it may be as low as 360p, and if a streaming service attempts to deliver your content in a resolution that's higher than the limit, you're going to experience buffering.  
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Stop accepting new subscribers for a start.  Because it's insane for them to be adding them now.
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They aren't accepting new subscribers in my area on Viasat-1, they are accepting new subscribers on Viasat-2. It depends on subscriber levels on your satellite and beam. If I wanted to switch satellites, make a new 2-year commitment I could and my neighbors indicate their beam on Viasat-2 is working just fine. Thanks, but no thanks.

Investigate your options. 
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I've been on 2 since it was available.  I have no options.  I'm cut off.  I've been on Viasat for over 10 years.  I think I understand how this all works, thank you very much.
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tim, Viasat only started operations in January 2012, so at best you have only been on them for 8 years, unless you are counting time you may have had Wildblue service, as many of us have been.
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Then tell me what plan on Viasat-2 has a 12 GB priority data limit and what's your Zip Code? I'm just interested in what plan it is? The elusive Basic? The only 12 GB plan I'm aware of is Liberty 12 and I'd be interested in knowing whether it's available to Viasat-2 in some areas.

So far you've only demonstrated to me you have no idea how any of it works by refusing to answer even the simplest questions about your particular service, but suit yourself. Ignore the problem, maybe it will go away. Never mind, I'm no longer interested. Call customer care - this isn't a direct support forum.
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Is Liberty 12 even available on Viasat 2? I thought only the fake Unlimited plans were on that satellite.
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That was my question for the guy who thinks he understands how it all works... perhaps he can enlighten us. He's the anti-Robin.
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They should have launched 3 more satellites to handle the excessive demands. I am pretty sure the things are dirt cheap and can be built in anyone's garage with basic hand tools with materials bought from your local hardware store.
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I’m rather surprised that there are people here defending viasat. Never did I criticize them for lack of infrastructure or preparedness. This has been a long term issue, for us it probably started about a year after we purchased our service. If they saw a problem with excessively throttling customers, they had plenty of time to invest in fixing it before now. My main issue is that people have virtually no internet access after reaching their data cap (before and now during the pandemic), and we weren’t warned beforehand that’s how it would be.
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I am not defending Viasat, I am defending technical rationality. As I have said before, Satellite bandwidth is like our toilet paper supply. In the short term, it is a fixed quantity. The only way for one person to get more is for someone else to get less. It isn’t a Viasat issue, it is a matter of physics. Did anyone warn you beforehand that there would be a toilet paper shortage?
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A starlink satellite costs about half a million dollars.  A ViaSat satellite costs much more.  That doesn't include the cost to launch it and operate it.
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Gaylord, it's always the same people defending them too!  Again, all these great responses supporting viasat.  I, for one, do not care what it costs for Viasat to do their business!!!! It's their problem.  My favorite is the "dirt cheap" comments.  No crap, this stuff is expensive.  Here's the thing, what sane person gets into a business and then expects people to bend over and say "thank you sir may I have another" when they feel they're being taken advantage of? Again, don't talk to me about cost to the organization.  Voyager's comment is only true because of the fixed quantity but Viasat has every opportunity to increase the quantity provided.  But it would cost them money and apparently they are not willing to do so to shut us up.  I challenge Viasat to launch a few satellites and adjust rates for the packages.  Add some more choices above Gold 50 or whatever the hell it is.  I'll bet people will pay it.
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Sounds like a business opportunity - what part of building and launching 3 new satellites did you not grasp? Challenge apparently accepted.
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@Ron You would care if you understood economics at all. I suppose life is simpler in some ways when you understand neither technology nor economics.
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Only so much bandwidth to go around. It's worse in some areas. Other areas not so much. Holding out on a little hope for that Starlink


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Only so much bandwidth to go around?

I disagree.  A satellite has bandwidth allocations; so much for this class of customer, so much for that class.  A satellite might get 15% allocated to residential customers and 40% to airlines and a ton reserved for military.  Since the airlines aren't flying, there is reserved allocated bandwidth going to waste right now that could be opened to residential while we are in this public status.  Viasat won't budge on their allocation schedule because when things go back to normal, residential will again be in the dumps on bandwidth and everybody will scream about how they really do have the capacity but won't allocate any of the unused out of class bandwidth to residential, even when airline demand may be down at various times of the day.  Viasat won't go to dynamic loading giving airlines simply a higher data demand priority so residential uses all currently spare available bandwidth.  Viasat continues to market and sell firm bandwidth.  So where are they getting this bandwidth? Simple, it is already allocated and RESERVED.  Viasat doesn't dare show the residential sector what they are really capable of.

Remember Animal Farm:  "All the animals are created equal" and "Some animals are created more equal  than others."

  • There is a bright side to all this.  In 6 months Viasat must re-organize it's bandwidth allocation scheme or face the fact that building and launching Viasat-3 is/was a waste of investor money because it will be obsolete months before it ever gets off the ground.
SpaceX Satellite Internet Service will offer 1Gbps with a latency ranging between 25 to 35 milliseconds.  This is only 6 months away.  How impressive will Visat-3 be then? It won't even be launched yet, what a shame, what a waste.

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https://www.pcmag.com/news/public-trials-of-spacex-satellite-internet-service-to-begin-within-6-mont...



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If we have Starlink a year from now, I would be surprised.
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I have had satellite internet since Wildblue came available in West Central Alabama. I am moving in five days and my new service will be 200 mps for 44.00/month. Looking forward to that. I have never posted here but have enjoyed reading comments since the forum began. I will have to say my service has been pretty good considering everything. It has been slower since the virus kicked in, but I think I must be in location with less congestion. Anyway, just wanted to say again, enjoyed reading from those that post here regularly, information is really helpful. I will check in from time to time to see how things are going. Good Luck.
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Congrats! Enjoy your fast, low cost internet!
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What makes you think Viasat hasn’t already shifted airline bandwidth to residential customers?
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You are a blessed man. Enjoy what the internet should be.
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"What makes you think Viasat hasn’t already shifted airline bandwidth to residential customers?"


If they have something to hide they surely aren't going to show it.  Their silence on what they are doing (or not) to help tells all.  They won't come forward with a statement describing their efforts to make as much normally reserved bandwidth available for the common customers. If Viasat was an electric company with limited generation we'd all be in the dark just in case an idled major customer comes back online.  "Silence is golden?"  It certainly is for Viasat.

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There would still have to be caps on starlink service. How much bandwidth per satellite is it?
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I know its hard to believe, but even the power companies prioritize who gets service restored first in the event of an outage.

I know this for a fact.  Because of my dad's medical condition, he gets priority over other people in his area when a power outage occurs.
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That's an outage, not the loss of heavy industrial customers.  You Viasat apologist are wrong to support Viasat.  This is a reprehensible company that sees helpless customers as prisoners entitled to pre-defined, meager meals in the presence of abundance.  Viasat home customers get exactly what has been reserved for them and no more even if the satellite is only 30% loaded.  The consumer allocation is just what it is and will not be modified, even temporarily, lest the consumers see there really was an abundance of bandwidth and Viasat kept it from them despite the suffering people are going through.  Too late to open up bandwidth now, people will cry why that wasn't done as soon as the airlines and other heavy industries shut down.  When Viasat-3 finally goes live, nobody will want it due to it's inferior characteristics.  We will have moved on to better systems that better manage available bandwidth in a more fair and honest way.  Viasat will die like a flower that never gets watered and good riddance, it's really just a weed of a company anyway.
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That's an outage, not the loss of heavy industrial customers.  You Viasat apologist are wrong to support Viasat.  This is a reprehensible company that sees helpless customers as prisoners entitled to pre-defined, meager meals in the presence of abundance.  Viasat home customers get exactly what has been reserved for them and no more even if the satellite is only 30% loaded.  The consumer allocation is just what it is and will not be modified, even temporarily, lest the consumers see there really was an abundance of bandwidth and Viasat kept it from them despite the suffering people are going through.  Too late to open up bandwidth now, people will cry why that wasn't done as soon as the airlines and other heavy industries shut down.  When Viasat-3 finally goes live, nobody will want it due to it's inferior characteristics.  We will have moved on to better systems that better manage available bandwidth in a more fair and honest way.  Viasat will die like a flower that never gets watered and good riddance, it's really just a weed of a company anyway.
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@Noob. And you know this how?
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They've already described the things they are doing to help.  They can only do so much.  Why?  Because there is only so much bandwidth to go around, just like the original and factual statement said.  
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Some people will never be able to think for themselves. Believe it or not, people currently think the President of the USA is telling people to inject Lysol and bleach to cure COVID19.

Just last month some people consumed aquarium cleaner because they thought the President told them to do so.

If people can’t understand the differences between poison and medicine, do you really think they will be able to comprehend the limitations of satellite internet?
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What the President said was pretty darn idiotic.  So idiotic that today he's trying to convince people that it was just sarcasm, though people know better.  
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I never heard the president tell anyone to inject Lysol, bleach or aquarium cleaner.
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No, he didn't actually say that.  People are saying that in sarcastic reaction to what he actually did say, which was no less ludicrous.  
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About using hydroxychloroquine? It has been effective in quite a few cases, but is not a miracle cure.
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No, not about using hydroxychloroquine.  You should probably catch up on the news.  
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Voyager

"@Noob. And you know this how?"

Have you ever heard the saying "If I told you I'd have to kill you?" Never demand answers that will never be given for free.
The Noob "Maybe not" part goes a long way.  When someone says the things I have and Viasat hides from this thread it's because they're rather busy on the phone having an :oh crap: discussion and usually are told to let it run it's course and stay out of it lest something gets out they want to stay locked in.

Or, how about it Viasat, what do you have to say that everyone here can read? After all, this is the corporate blog. What can you deny? What can you confirm? Care to argue with a few ex-employees here on your very own forum?  Let's get the record straight for once.  Let's let the consumers learn where they really stand with this company.

I've told you people a few things to think about and now I'm gone until Viasat makes their appearance, but I don't think they will, it's not how they operate.  People are like mushrooms, they are best grown in the dark.

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Voyager

"@Noob. And you know this how?"

Have you ever heard the saying "If I told you I'd have to kill you?" Never demand answers that will never be given for free.
The Noob "Maybe not" part goes a long way.  When someone says the things I have and Viasat hides from this thread it's because they're rather busy on the phone having an :oh crap: discussion and usually are told to let it run it's course and stay out of it lest something gets out they want to stay locked in.

Or, how about it Viasat, what do you have to say that everyone here can read? After all, this is the corporate blog. What can you deny? What can you confirm? Care to argue with a few ex-employees here on your very own forum?  Let's get the record straight for once.  Let's let the consumers learn where they really stand with this company.

I've told you people a few things to think about and now I'm gone until Viasat makes their appearance, but I don't think they will, it's not how they operate.  People are like mushrooms, they are best grown in the dark.

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Why would you expect ViaSat to reply?  They reply when people ask for help, not when people are just ranting.  

And ViaSat has a corporate blog.  This isn't it.
I've told you people a few things to think about
I'm sure you believe that.  
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Liberal mafia, I mean media, are always twisting Trump's words.
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@Noob. A response like that confirms that you are just making stuff up as I figured. And posting it twice shows that at least you picked an accurate handle.
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Liberal mafia, I mean media, are always twisting Trump's words.
No one needed to twist his words.  They monumentally stupid, which his why he spent nearly the entirety of the day yesterday trying to walk back and make up excuses for why he said what he did.  A wholly comical gaffe he can't dismiss.

And over 15,000 false or misleading statements as well as various other instances of ridiculousness since the day he took office has nothing to do with any interpretation or twisting, nor is the reporting of such "fake".  

"Fake News" = Actual news critical of Trump.  One of the main roles of the free press is to hold government accountable, and Trump isn't unique in that regard.  
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LOL. Can't wait to see how the media is going to try to cover up Biden's gaffes. He is the KING of gaffes.
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Well they won't because of the huge liberal media bias.

Also a different time. Think what a womanizer Kennedy was. Clinton was too, but the media no longer had a stranglehold on information by the 1990's.
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Did we get political here?
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Yep.  I normally don't do so, as I don't think it's the place for it, but I kept seeing others doing so, so I figured, why not?  
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What else do we have to do! Lol
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Good point.  ;) 
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Here is an example of today's supposedly "fair" media reporting. Notice how the article doesn't waste time in mentioning that 'racism and discrimination are a cornerstone"  in the administration. Disgusting how these so called "journalists" such as Nancy Armour still have a job.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2020/04/25/zoom-us-fencer-subjected-rac...
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If the shoe fits... and it most certainly does.  And what the author said most definitely applies to the context of the article.  

Be angry at the man who embraces and emboldens those types of disgusting beliefs, not the reporter who reports on effects of it.  
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So, an athlete is the victim of racist language and somehow it's Trump's fault. Sure, makes a lot of sense. GTFO.
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Is it explicitly his fault?  No. Does he support racism and general bigotry?  His record says yes.  And when we have a president that is basically making racism and general bigotry acceptable in this country by both his action and inaction, he's going to be mentioned, and rightly so.  
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@Admiral You are arguing with a snowflake. It is sort of like they say about mud wrestling with a pig. I have ignored this snowflake since he whined and got one of my threads deleted some months ago. I do wish the forum had a built-in ignore feature, to make it automatic, but it is pretty easy to simply ignore his posts and move to the next one.
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This is why I rarely argue politics online and normally refrain from doing so in specific places.  Some people don't have the ability to do so without resorting to personal attacks.
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@Gabe, I guess you haven't spent much time on internet chat rooms or forums the last 15-20 years. It is full of idiots making racist comments regardless of who is president or which party is in power.
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Of course there is.  And we have a President who embraces it.  Presidents have been in the spotlight since the formation of the republic, and will continue to be long after Trump.  Their presence has been added to articles from here to kingdom come, even when the main subject is not about them, lest we forget right media and their reporting during the Obama presidency.  Trump is no different, though Trump has earned a lot of hatred from much of the free press for his treatment of it from the get go.  You can't mock the free press and not expect it to come back and bite you.  
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Trump is a lot of bad things but he is no racist. The only color he sees is the color of money.
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I have a friend who works at the DOJ and knows Trump personally. She is Hispanic and says he is not the least bit racist and is actually a very kind person. And the reason the media dislike him is because he defends himself when they attack. No other Republican president has done that in our lifetime. Not Reagan or either of the Bushes. The media mocked them for years and they said nothing. Trump is different and they hate that.
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Trump is a lot of bad things but he is no racist.
His long history of words and actions can neither be ignored, nor erased, and they speak for themselves.   
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LOL. Yet he keeps gaining support from blacks and other minorities. That doesn't point to someone who people believe is "racist".
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Great.  If those people choose to ignore it, so be it, but it still doesn't negate his words or actions, which can neither be erased or ignored, and which speak volumes.  
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@Admiral. Don’t going throwing facts into the mix. They don’t fit the liberal narrative.
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Ignoring facts, however, does fit the conservative narrative.  It's the only way they can present Trump as a decent person.  The minute those facts rear their ugly head though...
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It's obvious you've been brainwashed since you seem to be ignoring facts. Lay off CNN and MSNBC for a while. It might do you some good.
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Brainwashed.  Yes sir, by facts.  If you like him, great.  Have at it.  I don't, and for many very good reason.  I don't like his racist/bigoted policies, nor his appropriation of other's accomplishments, nor his tearing apart good and decent programs that have helped millions simply because they were put in place during the Obama administration.  Not only is it incredibly petty, it's hurting those same people, which he seems to relish.  Nor his constant lies and misinformation.  Nor his continual spreading of debunked conspiracy theory nonsense.  Nor is ridiculous incompetence concerning the current pandemic.  Nor his active attempts at dividing this country, which are succeeding.  Nor his obvious desire for a one party state.

You can like him all you want.  Again, have at it.  I'm done with this nonsense.   And brainwashed?  Look in the mirror.  A racist, bigoted, incompetent, lying reality show star with the ego and temperament of a twelve year old convinced you he's a wonderful president and person.  Brainwashed?  Indeed. 

And with that, I'm out of this conversation.  
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@Admiral. Great job! You melted another snowflake. Now the moderators will come in and delete this thread.
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Good grief. @admiral and @voyager... Belligerence is gross and self-defeating. Good luck with that.
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I was never belligerent to anyone.
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No belligerence here.
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Funny how no one ever accused Donald Trump of being racist until he ran for president.
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And here are a few more....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

A few good actions to please the people, which pleases his ego, doesn't negate who he is.  
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Wikipedia.
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Wikipedia.
How did I not imagine that was coming?  Good thing for me all quotes and other facts require citations. 

Anything else? 
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LOL. Wikipedia.
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He sounds good, like he knows what he's talking about. I heard Apple was going to launch sat if they do we all have great service, Apple is King.
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When I was on the Viasat 150 GB plan I received an email from Viasat saying they were going to start throttling that plan and if I didn't like it I could quit.  So  I did some research and found that at that time both the blue and the red cell phone providers were offering unlimited  pre paid plans.  My place was a few miles from the towers but bought a wifi modem to give it a try.  To my surprise I was able to get 25 to 75 down load and about half that for the up load and both cell plans  together cost about half what I was paying Viasat.  So if you're out in the boonies' keep looking for alternatives.  I see there are companies that buy up blocks of cell phone usage and resell for internet service.
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Good advice. I check alternatives at least once a year, but thus far satellite is the best i have available.
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I am extremely happy to say that I now have home internet service from US Cellular and it is performing better than Viasat or Hughesnet ever did for me over the past 4 years. Average 3-10 mbps down, 400 kbps up, 60-120ms ping. Granted, it's not blazing fast but it's consistent and web browsing is a much faster/smoother experience. I could probably even do online multiplayer gaming but never got into that.

It was a long shot. I live in the narrowest part of a mountain valley with no direct line of sight to any towers. With a Weboost cellular booster (with outdoor antenna) I am able to connect to one US Cellular tower. I took a chance and bought a D-Link 4g router/modem on ebay, got a sim card from my local store and presto, cellular-based wifi; through my booster. There is some tweaking/relocating I may be able to do to improve my upload bandwidth, including relocating the booster antenna to a spot with better line of sight. But for now, it is already a night and day difference from satellite. Additionally, I used to have to be within a few feet of my indoor booster antenna to talk on the phone. Now I can talk within 100' of the house or so with "wifi calling."

I'm not posting this to brag, but instead to offer hope to some of the people here. If you have even a faint cellular signal outside your home, you may very well be able to use a booster and 4g internet service. If you can connect to a tower other than US Cellular, you have more options through third party wireless internet services like EVDODepot, etc. US Cellular's plans are a bit more expensive than the others but I get 15 GB more data per month for $15 less. 
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What plan are you on and how much priority data have you used for your current billing cycle?
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Yo Whit tell me more about the Cell plan , I have good cell service and am on 150 GB plan also and it is terrible at the moment. I would like to try cell like you have.
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@Handy, there are a bunch of different 4g internet services. Mine is through US Cellular because that is the only tower I can connect to at home. If you can connect to Sprint, AT&T, T-Mobile or Verizon towers you will have more options. Most of these plans should come with a 4g modem/router that converts to WiFi. Check out evdodepot.com. these modems have sim card slots but youmay need to do a little research about what 4g bands you can access if you want to buy a modem independent of a particular service.
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The 150GB was good. But yes, now not so good.
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You know what's really funny? We used our cap and we're not throttled. The online school thing my mom does for her class chews a lot of bandwidth. 
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Education is more important than watching Tiger King and playing video games.
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I disagree. Tiger King should be mandatory viewing for everyone.

It is good to see there are people out there crazier than you are.
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I’ve never watched Tiger King and don’t even know what it is about.
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I've never watched it either, but evidently it's about one kook against another kook against a backdrop of murder and animal abuse.  
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Viaset need to be shut down period!!!! People are being taken advantage of!  It's a rip off!
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@Sad So you think rural Americans should have no internet at all?
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Amazing how many people completely refuse to believe the limitations of satellite internet. It is obvious Viasat could do a lot of things better, like removing 3rd party techs that are incompetent and resellers who lie to make sales. What they can't do is defeat the laws of physics.
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@Home I agree. I rarely defend Viasat here as there is a lot they could do better and I think their marketing is clearly misleading. However, I think they do provide a valuable and necessary service so to suggest they should just go away is simply stupid and irresponsible. Improve, yes, but go away, no. They provide service to those who otherwise would have nothing at all and we should not lose sight of the value of that.
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Misleading marketing does them no favors though.
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They stopped the misleading ads in my area. The family of three all simultaneously streaming high resolution video ad has been replaced by a farmer who just needs internet to order supplies and stay connected to family.
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@Ex If I was the CEO, that is the first thing I would fix.
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It would cut down on the churn too I would think.
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I've never seen a print ad in my area, though they did have a tent set up at a local event a couple of summers ago.  I've only seen a TV ad twice.  
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No, whats important to one is not to another. Service should be same for all, u should receive what you pay for. Each decides what is important to them.
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You guys it’s a good thing we’re not like Taiwan right now. Over my dead body would I allow a government to enable a tracking app on my phone https://nypost.com/2020/04/25/taiwan-...
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They already do when they want to, u just don't know it.