Suggestion during Coronavirus Shelter in Place

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During this time of Shelter in place, I think ViaSat and other internet providers should cut rates on their unlimited high speed plans. Just until the Coronavirus threat is over. Cusotmers can then stay with the unlimited plan at regular prices or go back to their original plan.
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I think if you don't live in NY or another hard hit CITY, we should get back to work. My state has 5 deaths. And they have literally shut down TULSA COUNTY and put thousands and thousands out of work! We don't all work a government job where we get a check regardless if we are working or not! This is insane! Stop believing the hysteria! Also,will all the people who qualify and do get the stimulus check, if it ever happens, volunteer to donate their check since they have never missed a paycheck??
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@wise. I’m with you. Unfortunately, when you have an inept government, you get shotgun solutions when a rifle is the right tool
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I agree that assistance should be applied to everyone's services since other things like facebook games and such have allotted extra time for free. People are home more while restrictions are in place. It is a temporary thing and would be greatly appreciated by so many. 
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since other things like facebook games and such have allotted extra time for free.
ViaSat's system is under considerable strain due to the large increase in traffic as of late, and there's only so much bandwidth to go around.  The last thing it needs to be wasted on is Facebook games. 

As well, gaming has taken a back seat in ViaSat's pandemic related prioritization plan, which gives precedence to work and schooling related activities. 
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I agree that gaming is of no importance, but students do get free time.
I meant also to include the home schooling programs, as well has people working from home. 
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It would be great if there was sufficient bandwidth to cover every situation, but that is just the way things are now. It is not unlike highways. That is why we have rush hours and huge jams during hurricane evacuations.. We simply can’t afford to build enough roads or internet bandwidth to handle every possible eventuality. Would you really want to pay $500/month for internet just to have so much extra capacity that you could handle times like this with no loss in performance?
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That's just the thing.  A see a lot of "oversold" complaints, both here and on my own ISP's boards, and I kind of snicker when I see that.  There is no way they can keep the number of subscribers so low that there isn't much of a slowdown and still remain a viable company without having to charge a ludicrous monthly fee to those relatively few customers.  Even $500 is likely a conservative number.  

So, though "oversell" is a subjective term when it comes to something like this, it's impossible for them to not do so.  
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On the other hand Viasat should stop selling subscriptions on beams that get a lot of customer complaints for unusable service until things return to normal.
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I agree with you to a point.  However, even if it can't provide enough bandwidth to do much with video or even work or school, it can still keep them connected to the outside world, which is more important now than ever, so I can see them continuing to sell, even on already very packed beams.  

If anything, this pandemic has shown how much the internet is needed, and how awful it still is for rural America.  
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It has been awful in rural America for a number of years. But nothing seems to change.

When Viasat-1 came out they offered pitifully low plans at 7.5GB/month. And that was awful in 2012.

Internet usage continues to grow year after year. Satellite internet is always playing catchup and never will meet average consumer needs. The average household uses what, 300GB/month now? Just a few years ago Viasat said 150GB was "virtually unlimited"

I don't know what the answer is, but I know satellite internet isn't the answer today.
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I think every business should give us everything for free. Free good. Free gas. Why not?
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Sick of all the BS politicking going on. Like the governor of California's utter nonsense claiming over half his state's population will get sick. Cops are actually ticketing people in San Francisco for being out of their homes. Also Gavin Newsome is constantly bad mouthing the White House, while at the same time always being quick to ask for Federal aid. A lot of these politicians do not live in the real world.

As for the OP another case where I side with Viasat. You signed the contract and agreed to the pricing. They aren't laying people off so their over head didn't go down. A lot of businesses won't survive this, and you are asking one to operate at a loss for your benefit. They already temporarily lost their commercial airline business.

Wisegabby, good idea that people unaffected should donate their stimulus check. I won't get one as I am a business owner. They are offering loans, that you don't have to pay back if you use it to pay employees, but I to longer have employees. Even under a shutdown order I am considered essential, but they haven't shut down Virginia yet.

Our dear government at all levels is going to cause something worse than the recession of 2008. A lot of people won't have jobs to come back to and others will lose theirs as non essential businesses will fail due to changes in people's spending habits. Nobody young enough to work has seen anything like this, the only people that have are at least 105 years old. That would be the Spanish Flu of 1918-20. This is the first time many have been blind sided and left without a paycheck. People are going to want to build savings like never before, money spent on hobbies and entertainment outside the home will be the first things slashed to find that money to save.
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@home People SHOULD build savings, but I don’t think they will. Our collective memories are short and weak. I bet we are back to business as usual within a year. However, I hope I am wrong.

I am not a prepper, but I do stay fairly well prepared for things such as this. We always buy most things in bulk and keep a good supply on hand. We had visited Sam’s Club just a month before this broke, so we have lots of toilet paper. LOL. I also keep at least 12 months of cash in reserve and I spent yesterday setting up stock limit order purchases and sales. My one gold stock sold this morning when the price spiked.

Life is not bad if you are prepared, but I can imagine that for folks that live hand to mouth, this will be a frightening and difficult time. I do hope it serves as a wake-up call as you suggest, but history tells me it will not.
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People actually will become MORE dependent on government, which is what the Socialist want.
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Things are going to change no matter what, I guess it depends how much. I don't think there is anyone who is going to decide to save less money than before. I would be curious how much the average consumer spends over and above what is necessary for basic needs. I am not just talking personal entertainment and hobbies, but people that buy jewelry, designer clothes and shoes, etc,etc. A $250 pair of sneakers aren't anymore comfortable or durable than a $50 pair. I never understood "branding" when it didn't signify an increase in quality.

I purchase high end items frequently, but the extra money spent buys a better quality product. It is also always work related, the high end items last longer and allow me to be more productive at higher quality standards. I know I will take a hit but haven't yet because I have back orders. I am a small machine shop. I figure the firearm related stuff will always be steady, the medical or food related stuff isn't going away either.
Unfortunately that is only 40-50% of my business, the rest are hobby people.
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Ohio governor said 100,000 people in the state have the virus. That was on March 13th, we just didn't know it.


Shows the idiocracy of some of these health officials.
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Wow! And I was called selfish for wanting my internet speed back up so I could download my games at a decent speed. Some of these responses have serious implications of actually harming others. I know in my state of Louisiana we are currently next in line to have the most cases because surprise surprise most of the people here act just like some of you guys.

For the tip about saving you can hang that up around here as ain't much other than the likes of retail and fast food that was opening in my area. Wasn't much white collar work here so when the shutdown happened we lost quite a few jobs outside of fast food and retail(some). What sucks is these are the people who realistically can't be without a job because they have no savings nor do they have a decent wage because hurdur UnSkIlLeD labor. These are the things I see in MY area so it may be different in others.

If your area is not hard hit by the virus then continue practicing the guidelines because that will keep you safe and keep the spread minimal as it's suppose to do. Trying to reopen now is just asking for it to explode and be a tragedy as we don't have enough equipment nor do we have any type of treatment plan readily available. Heck we barely have test kits avaliable let alone kits that test multiple people.
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"And I was called selfish for wanting my internet speed back up so I could download my games at a decent speed"
Because you are.
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Simon, you are worse than pathetic, you are nothing but a self centered cry baby. Hopefully you will not reproduce.
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I live in Louisiana and kids being able to use the internet for school is far more important than anyone playing video games. 

Also, I wouldn't go on here crying that nothing is open in Louisiana.  I am an essential employee, involved in back end support of the supply chain.  I only leave my house for work and to do yard work outside my parent's house.  Pretty much every store I drive past has a full parking lot and every drive though has a line. 

Really, it is mind boggling how many people aren't taking this stuff seriously.  Places are open, and I don't dare go inside any of them unless it is to do my job.  I haven't been inside a store to shop in over a month.

Traffic in Louisiana is actually heavier than it was before this mess started.  I've worked in Baton Rouge, Houma, New Orleans and Monroe since this mess started and people simply are not staying home.

Anyway, this is almost the end of my rant.  If you are receiving a $1,200 stimulus payment, quit complaining about vendors not giving discounts, quit wasting it on buying yourself toys, and use it to pay your bills!  That is what the stimulus checks and unemployment are for.  You are't being subsidized so you can go buy new purses, dresses, color television sets, or video games.  Unfortunately many people are doing just that and will blame the government for not freezing their rent/mortgage should they become evicted.

I don't need the stimulus money and that isn't an excuse for me to go spend it on stupid stuff.  It will stay in the bank and should I lose my job, it will be used to help keep my bills up to date.
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Well stated.

I don't recall if I mentioned this here. I don't know the specifics, for my state, but the neighboring state said something like 80% of the workforce is "essential" (like me, yay), pretty sure this one is similar. They complain about our states not having forced stay at home orders. But, most non-essential businesses are closed, it's suggested to stay home, group size is limited, social distancing, things like funerals and church aren't happening, etc., etc. We also have among the lowest end of infection rates per population. And of what we do have, a high percentage are from food processing plants, which would be open anyway. Some work needs done there which is why some temporarily closed. Most are being careful and not openly complaining about it.

I'm not getting a stimulus payment.
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I am not getting one either. While an essential worker, we are taking pay cuts.

No matter what the politicians say, the economy is going to be destroyed for years. Spend only on essential. And if you are in the travel or entertainment industry, time to find a new job. Orlando, New Orleans, and Las Vegas are going to become ghost towns (and I don't really have sympathy for any of them, especially Disney who is the worst by preying on children). At least the other two towns prey on adults!
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Terrible what has happened to the brothels in Nevada. Thousands of women are out of work.
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I'm going to be getting one, though it will be a while before I see it.  And though I'm going to be getting a couple of things online that I have very much needed for a while but haven't been able to afford, I'm going to put most of it back into our local businesses, as our little town is struggling.  
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"While an essential worker, we are taking pay cuts."
Begin another rant, ignore if you want.
Must be nice getting paid :)  Ag is a wreck.  Like I said before with beef, increased demand, packers get increased prices, everyone else is losing (so packers get more $ because they pay less even with increased demand).  Pretty much everything we sell we take a loss on, so basically the opposite of being paid.  Not the first time, years in most sectors of ag are a loss even if you do everything right with minimal expenses, and it hasn't been "great" for a very long time.

This is a pdf of a livestock market report, another state, people are a bit fed up, as can be seen in the summary at the top.  Fire last year in one of their plants, closure, prices went up for them again, down for us, again.  http://www.ftpierrelivestock.com/images/MarketReports20/04-10-20_MR_FRI.pdf

And the one from the week before http://www.ftpierrelivestock.com/images/MarketReports20/04-03-20_MR_FRI.pdf

Like I said, it's being looked into, but I doubt it will go anywhere, and a lot of people are having issues in all areas of all businesses aside from ag.
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I keep hoping this might drive things back to a more local agricultural economy rather than national or international. And it this lasts too long, I expect we will see prohibition-like black markets develop for food and other essentials.
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I been working throughout this pandemic. I work at lovely Walmart
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It boggles my mind how it is unsafe for restaurants to open their dining areas for a dozen or so customers, but its completely safe for hundreds of people to be inside of Walmart at a time.

I feel for you.  Walmart certainly isn't a safe place to work these days.

People really shouldn't be allowed in any store until this is over.  Walmart could easily sell pre-boxed sets of essentials from outside the store.
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It sucks. That's for sure. MY dad isn't in the greatest health and I am terrified of bringing it home to him. More concerned than I am if I get it myself. He has heart disease and diabetes, and he smokes. NY governor did make masks mandatory. There's a police officer making sure customers go in with a mask. Heard there is a country you need police permission to be outside. Thinking our country should do that just for a month or so. Maybe then we can make this pandemic come to an end.  
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It won't come to an end and half the hysteria is caused by the media.

Live in a state where I have to wear a mask? Thank goodness I live close enough to go to a free state to shop and spend my money to support those employees, while my state economically dies.

And we don't live in a police state. Thank goodness.
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The problem is that some of those in power like things the way they are now. They'd like nothing better than for people to remain at home and depend on the government to take care of them.
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Since your dad clearly doesn’t care about his own health (heart disease ad diabetes and STILL smoking), why should we wreck our economy over it? I think we have slide into communism. I believe it is unconstitutional to require people to wear masks and control where they can and can’t go. If I want to to to Walmart and take the risk, that is my choice, not the governments. If you don’t want to take the risk, then stay home. It should be a personal choice. Many aspects of life involve risk and we all make out choices. I choose to ride motorcycles and fly small airplanes, which is much riskier than driving a car, but that is my choice.

I feel sorry for all of the veterans who fought and died for the liberty that we have given away at the bat of an eyelash. If I was in the military today, I’d leave and find a real job. No way I’d risk my life to preserve liberty for a people who no longer value it.

Ben Franklin had it right more than 200 years ago. “Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
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@Admiral. Precisely. This is a Communist/Socialists (aka Democrats) dream.
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There's a large difference between "Communism" and being smart about a disease that's killing people.  SMH.

You can rebuild a struggling economy.  You can't bring back the dead.  
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Unfortunately, I believe this is just the beginning. The next world "crisis" will result in even more freedoms and liberties being taken away.
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Yes, just as 9/11 brought us the Patriot Act, the evils of which only really can’t to light after Trump was elected, this manufactured crisis will result in another raft of new powers being allocated to government. Just watch.
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@Ex What do you define as a police state?
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@Gabe, you won't be able to bring back the destroyed businesses and companies either, of which I'm sure there will be many.
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Some will come back and some won't.  
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Many small businesses will be destroyed. If you work in tourism, travel, restaurant, or entertainment, forget it.

It will be several, several years for us to recover. There will be a vaccine before we recover, which will probably be 4 - 5 years at best (for a recovery).

What will happen is the Socialist will take over, use this crisis as a way to implement radical agendas, and the country as we know it will never be the same.

On the bright side, we all might get better internet out of this. So there is that!
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You are optimistic. SARS-CoV-1 is 17 years old with no vaccine...
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True.  Once the hysteria breaks down some (or come November once bad Orange Man gone), everything will suddenly be better as the media spins it.

My doctor calls it the "CNNVirus".  That tells you what he thinks of it.

HIV/AIDS killed 32+ million people.  And many, many people failed to take preventive measures to stop from getting it.  And the personal protection needed was much easier to deal with than "social distancing", "shelter-in-place", "masks", "destroying the economy", etc.
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Bravo!
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I know grown men in shock from losing their jobs. BAM! We are shut down, some who have worked there for 20+ years! Wondering how they are going to support their family, etc.., It makes my blood boil!! I have no doubt that Democrats are using this virus to defeat Trump as they say an opportunity after impeachment failed. The Democrats will go to lengths most people cannot imagine in order to regain power. Hear me now, believe me later!
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"Today’s ceremony, however, has very special meaning. Because today we are not merely transferring power from one Administration to another, or from one party to another – but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C. and giving it back to you, the American People.

For too long, a small group in our nation’s Capital has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost.

Washington flourished – but the people did not share in its wealth.

Politicians prospered – but the jobs left, and the factories closed.

The establishment protected itself, but not the citizens of our country.

Their victories have not been your victories; their triumphs have not been your triumphs; and while they celebrated in our nation’s Capital, there was little to celebrate for struggling families all across our land.

That all changes – starting right here, and right now, because this moment is your moment: it belongs to you." -President Trump's Inauguration Address.

The Democrats and Deep State vowed to never let the above happen.
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Yes, this is a coup attempt, not a health crisis response.
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If you want a good laugh you have to read what Gavin Newsome wants in place before putting California back in business. The real laugher was wanting schools to be able to have social distancing. You would have to have 5x the schools and teachers you have now.
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They actually want to rotate kids day by day to control the flow.

Politicians are out of control right now and the media are the enablers.
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I am involved in the education field and teachers KNEW before we left for Spring Break that we would not be returning on schedule. I know several teachers who were travelling and they extended their vacations because they KNEW they would not have to be back the next week. When word came out schools would not be opening as scheduled, it wasn't but a week before teachers KNEW school was going to called off for rest of year. I just don't think they planned on not getting to go and do as usual.

Teachers are now being told to make duel lesson plans for next year in CASE the schools do not reopen in August, etc... One for in school and one for online learning. Democrats are determined to drag this out as long as possible. Democrats have many helpers.
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Aren't most teachers Democrats these days?
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Teachers are the foot soldiers of the Democrat Party. Yes, even the teachers in your rural school that you go to church with, etc...

In Oklahoma in 2018, the teachers started CLOSING the biggest schools on election day so they can help Get-Out-The-Vote for Democrats. The RedforEd movement is not about education, it's about flipping states Blue.
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Watching the TV and doing the math in my head I don't know if I am doing it correctly says 80% of the people who get it don't end up in the hospital. 20% who get it do. If 3.5% die then that's 700,000 people dead out of 100 million people getting this. Is that really enough for shutting down the country? People die everyday. This is not enough beds in the hospital problem and the fact they don't have enough tests to go around. Remember we don't hear about the majority of cases because most people don't need a hospital. I swear a few people in my family has had this just recently but couldn't be tested because of inadequate testing. They were told by their doctors to just wait it out. With the right tests I have a feeling we could find out many have already had this virus.     
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That 20% is high. The percent who die might be high too, because while we know how many die (sort of...that is also debatable) we don't really know how many really get it (or have had it).

What makes this virus weird is a) impacts different people different ways and b) it is so contagious.

Truth is, a person can make stats say whatever they want. It isnt science. It isnt math. It is how it is spun!
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That's what makes it scary. I don't want it get it. Especially with what I'm hearing. And the states opening up too soon are really going to regret it
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You don't know that.

And maybe you already had it? You don't know.

Don't listen to the media hysteria. For states opening, let's see what happens. Could go bad. But maybe not. Businesses are failing. People are losing everything. A number of them believe it is worth the risk. I have multiple risk factors. But I know there needs to be a balance. I have a co-worker who's wife got it. They live in the same house, but practiced good hygiene and took precautions. He never got it. That tells me it isn't THAT contiguous. Wash your hands frequently, don't touch your face, keep your distance, live long and prosper.
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Hope it is that simple as washing your hands and not touching your face. But doctors are saying otherwise. 
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Not all doctors.

Don't make general statements like that. I know you are young and impressionable, but you will learn.

Now back to broadband internet for all. Who is up for infrastructure improvements!
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Hope it is that simple as washing your hands and not touching your face. 
The social distancing and mask wearing when close, as well.  Droplets from an infected person who coughs, sneezes or even speaks is believed by many doctors to infect, too.
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@Cat Many different doctors and scientists are saying many different things. I remember when the projection was 2.2 million American deaths and that came from scientists... Don’t believe everything you read.
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Sadly, there are people rooting for states to fail proving they are right and those states were wrong.  This cuts both ways, but for some people hoping more people get sick and die is just wrong.

But I did hear a government official talk about fixing our rural internet infrastructure tonight.  All of us with limited internet options should be rooting for that. 
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I haven’t heard anyone rooting for people to get sick and die. However, I believe many politicians and scientists are making the most of those who have been sick and/or have died to consolidate political power and gain more funding for their research.
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Just a hunch...
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I suggest all our bills be free and everyone get stimulus payments and unemployment. While we are at it, send us some food stamps too. The world owes it to us!
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Free chicken nuggets at Wendy's on Friday! In unrelated news, Chick-Fil-A  dipping sauces may now be purchased in 8 ounce containers but the containers cannot be opened on Sundays. 
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How dare such an essential business as Chic-Fil-A not be open on Sunday during such a crisis as COVID19!
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On a more important note how is the TP supply in everyone's neck of the woods? All the chain stores within a 30 mile radius of me seem to get cleaned out as soon as it hits the shelves. They aren't limiting purchases. Fortunately for me my local mom & pop store has these rolls that I estimate will last 3-4 weeks if just one person is using them. They are almost a foot in diameter with like a 3" hole in the middle. I pretty much buy everything I can there, lately they have had 1-2 dozen of those huge rolls on the shelves. Even better yet they are only charging $3 for them.
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We'll be fine once folks go back to work and start pooping there - end the shutdown.
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Thanks to Chic-Fil-A, no one has to poop on Sunday anymore.
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Chick-Fil-A  dipping sauces may now be purchased in 8 ounce containers but the containers cannot be opened on Sundays. 
When I first heard this I was a bit shocked, as I didn't know they had any sauce.  I've only been to Chick-fil-A one time, and I got their standard chicken sandwich.  It was so dry due to having no sauce of any kind on it.  A bun, a piece of chicken and a slice or two of pickle. That was it.  I wasn't impressed.  That was 20 years ago.  I haven't been back since.  
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Admiral Korbohuta

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I haven't seen a roll of toilet paper in a store in over a month. I'm having to get it from work.
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Our local store gets two trucks a week (Mon and Thur).  It's gone within two hours of making it to the shelf.  If you don't get there between about 11AM and 1PM on those two days, forget it.  
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Admiral Korbohuta

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The hoarding of toilet paper still makes no sense to me. If I was a hoarder, which I'm not, I can think of quite a few other things to stock up on other than toilet paper. Non perishable foods and water come to mind.
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I’ve been stockpiling food and water since 2005. I haven’t been shopping since the first week of March. Life is good.
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I don't usually stockpile much extra food, though I have gotten a little more canned and dry items than I normally would.  I do always keep water on hand, though.  I use old milk jugs and treat the filtered water with a few drops of bleach (there's a formula for doing so).  I usually have a few gallons at any given time.  
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@Admiral. That is because most Americans today are full of s%^t.
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Admiral Korbohuta

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@Gabe, that's about the extent of my "hoarding" as well. A few extra gallons of water and maybe 3-5 days worth of canned food.