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All I can say is "wow"!

Got my external wireless antenna installed this afternoon. Still waiting on my unlimited sim card, but these results are quite sobering. Done at the same time of day on same device.

Viasat...



Verizon...



Now the only question is how will the Verizon prepaid unlimited plan work when say using 100GB.

As for my Viasat plan. It reset yesterday. I have used about 1GB in the cycle!

I was satisfied with Viasat for the most part until the recent plan changes. The pathetic speeds over the last month have encouraged me to explore other internet options. If Verizon can prove to be robust enough, goodbye Viasat.
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Tower??  How about a pic?
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I have not seen any evidence of “hard throttling” by Viasat on my Liberty plan.
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I'm on Exede-5 Classic, I've not seen any evidence of hard throttling either...but I've never exceeded my data allowance since being on Excede..

YMMV, depending upon your beam, etc.
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Deja vue, I did the same thing except I had to set up a solar powered relay  up on a ridge I own with a mofi and a nanostation and then shoot it to my house to another  nanostation as I am in a hole surrounded by 3 ridges , but the verizon card, im pushing 100 gb as of today , getting 40-80 mbps no throttling , its the jet pack plan 
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what antenna did you get? I am going to invest in one also just not sure which one
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If using VZW, a Yagi with just enough cable to reach Jetpack.  Google "Yagi Verizon", and it should cover (700 ~ 990 MHz / 1700 ~ 2100 MHz)  One may have to get a short connector to hook into Jetpack.


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ALRIGHT!!! VETERANSATUSER GOOD JOB!!! :D Even though my Viasat Internet is completely out as of right now. (Cause of a winter white out.) I'm using my cellphone data and then plan on using my Hotspot Device for gaming online and stuff. (That is if there isn't any network congestion that is. I experienced it a couple of times this month. So I'm used to it anyways.) I have the Verizon MiFi Model 5510l it's really quite old. But i can configure the DNS server into the settings and put manual one in. So far the manual DNS I set it as is doing its job :3 Also, I have the setting put to shorter range for longer battery life. If I put it as long range. Then the battery just goes out to quickly. I can even tether my Hotspot Device to my laptop. I tried it to download an Anime episode. It worked but it was done in less than 6 minutes :3 So yeah.


I must put a channel setting for the device itself. But I left it as automatic for the time being. Until I know which channel is best for the Device itself. I'm thinking it's usually channel 11. But I might have to play with some channels that are there. I think I have a good channel it might work on. But for the time being, I'll let it be as automatic.


I had this device since the 1st of February. Haven't used it that much. (Except for online gaming of course then kind of binge watch some anime on my Ipad. Then watch some YouTube videos and so much more if I wanted to.)


Plus! The really SUPER DUBER AWESOMENESS THING IS THAT *Deku Whispers really softly and loudly* It's portable. Meaning I can take it with me to my doctor appointments or on the little bus and use the my portable WiFi instead of there WiFi. :3
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Signal boosters rarely help much. A better antenna will almost always be the better solution.
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@Voyager

With VZW, a signal booster is not needed, but with a Sprint like carrier, at 1900Mhz, its needed inside home.  Both towers are about seven miles away, and with VZW at 800Mhz, its signal travels longer distances.  If this wideband signal booster fails, I will use its antenna, and hook direct to 6620L Jetpack.

@Vet - Another software update...4.0...Speeds not affected

If SIM error is seen, remove battery...wait...reinstall
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yes , I bought a cheap hot spot then  took the sim and dropped it in a mofi 4500, it has the 2 cheap paddle antennas , then I bought t a 39 inch set of cables and now im going to add 2 wilson wide band yagis , ive learned that while it starts out at band 13 (700 mz ) it switches over to band 4 ( 1900mhz) and somewhere in there also uses another band ( 2100 mhz ) so the wide band yagis are supposed to be the way to go , keep the cable short and dont use a booster if possible , 
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@Vet what did you go with for your external wireless antenna? Because I am basically in a valley I don't get great signals but I have not had much success with antennas. I'd like to hear what works. But I am still getting great speed tests.
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What mifi device are you using?
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Deja vue, I did the same thing except I had to set up a solar powered relay  up on a ridge I own with a mofi and a nanostation and then shoot it to my house to another  nanostation as I am in a hole surrounded by 3 ridges , but the verizon card, im pushing 100 gb as of today , getting 40-80 mbps no throttling , its the jet pack plan 
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What outside box did you use for your Mofi?
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Awesome, thanks.
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Love ubiquiti devices! They are awesome. I have a 8 yr old nanostation M2 that is still going strong. Unfortunately only 2.4ghtz but range is awesome. $44.95 online.
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@Kay

At DSL forum, a person wants to use a load balancing router (double WANS), and use a Nighthawk (Sprint) on one WAN, and 7730L (Verizon) on the other WAN.  I don't know if this connector would work on 7730L

People are trying different devices on these unlimited wireless plans...its a hoot to hear about their setups.
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@Kay

Here's one person's setup...80 Mbps DL, 28 Mbps UL...."Two wide band Yagi antennas mounted at 90 degrees from each other forming a 90 degree "V". Each is tilted 45 degrees off vertical."




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Why?
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@Voyager
MiMo setup,
edit: better link https://www.telcoantennas.com.au/site/how-does-mimo-work
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@Voyger

Two Yagis for MIMO...using Band 13 and Band 4...his tower uses both bands...his Mofi is a 2x2 MIMO device
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M5 is 5 GHz but more$.
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@Vet

Some users have slipped their SIMs into an used Cradlepoint MC200LE-VZ (Verizon), which only uses LTE Band 13, which is VZW's backbone band.  Jetpack does this band, and band 4, but band 4 is deployed in larger, 20x20MHz blocks in many markets.  Using Jetpack's webpage, one can see what band is being used.  If band 4 is available, an unlocked Nighthawk can work, but APN must be configured in its menu.  Band 13 is setup in 10x10 chunks...but when CDMA is gone, wider chunks might be used, or is used today...an unknown here.
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@Vet

Tethering to a router will give fastest speeds.  Currently, 6620L is tethered to a router for charging only...I connect to it via WiFi.  I'm using a fleabay bought cheap TP-Link TL-WR1043N/ND v1 router that was flashed with OpenWrt 18.06.2.  This works fine. 6620L is being "tickled" via router, and this keeps it awake.

I would suggest 720p on VZW unlimited.  Chances are, if watching the typical video sites, it will be enforced, but hearsay suggests yes it is, and no it is not.  May have something to do with their re-programming of all of their traffic equipment.

I haven't decided upon terminating Vsat.  With both VZW and Vsat, I'm paying in real terms what it would cost to get a plan on Vsat currently ($100.00).  But, I do have another option at $80/month if VZW changed direction.  It's a nice feature to have two ISPs...just point and shoot to one of them.
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You are right about the codes for the PepWave Surf SOHO. Depending on the modem type, you apply that code. There are 250 different modems on their website.

The USB port also powers the modem.

External antenna installed.

Modem purchased.

Unlimited plan puchased.

SIM card received and installed.

Pepwave needs installed yet.

I will start full-on testing Sunday. Will be turning Viasat off. Will see what I can and cannot do without it. So for the 300kbps or speeds I have been getting, I will let the rest of the people on my beam have it for now. Might eek out a couple kbps each for all with my system off.
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@Vet

I bid on this unused Cradlepoint CBA850, which would use the SIM only, but bidding went ballistic towards last several minutes.  I suspect the first bidder was the seller, and he grabbed it at the end.  These are high dollar units

PepWave Surf SOHO is a fine unit, with a track record. Has different ways to use it, and RVers were known to use them...they do have higher dollar units for mobile vehicles....including LEO vehicles.  For wireless speeds upto 100Mbps, it should work fine. 

These RV "camp grounds" have WiFi now, so this PepWave unit could receive it, and rebroadcast campground's WiFi signal within a RV.  I haven't seen posts for awhile from dbirdman over at DSL, but he suggested sometime ago that wireless carriers and campground WiFis mostly eliminated satellite based RVs.

6620L tethered to router (TP-Link TL-WR1043N/ND v1) with OpenWrt flashed is working just fine...I have not had to reboot/etc., and battery level seems OK.  I was gone most of the day, and 6620L was live when PC booted up.

As noted, I used an old CPU heatsink and placed 6620L on top, without its battery cover.  Maybe overkill, but I want to dissipate as much heat as possible.
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I think the Cradlepoints are more robust because you are using it versus a modem not designed for 7×24 usage.

If I cant get the wireless to work right, there is always Hughesnet. I don't see Viasat in my future much longer.
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7×24 usage...considering smartphones are left on 24x7...I would like to think 6620L would survive also, if Tx power is reduced.  With VLSI circuits, I would suspect 6620L's circuits would be same type of chips used in cellphones.  I could check FCC's database, but don't have the interest now.

In any event, I have a spare 6620L, if needed...both were seldomed used.

What I don't know is how VZW controls speeds....via SIM and/or traffic policies.  On Viasat's modem, I believe "speed code" is sent to each user's modem, iirc.
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Looks like with Verizon they have different plans and speeds depending on location. I got a Jet Pack 6620L, 15GB a month until slowed to "up to" 600 kps. The two times I purposely went over at the end of the month it stayed around 580 kps and seemed ok for internet radio and 480 video. I think the fastest it has ever been was 12 mbs and is usually from 3-8 mbs. It only raised my cell bill $38 a month, not sure if that is the only plan available here or they just matched my minimal needs. I am 3 miles from the tower at Chilesburg Virginia. Fortunately for me VIASAT was so bad the Verizon seems great. Verizon has never dropped in 3 months of use no matter how bad the weather is.
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go to dsl reports and read this thread , it lists the plan in there n first couple pages , lengthy thread but good reading https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r32181018-Unlimited-data-on-jetpack, its a jet pack plan not a hotpot plan 
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Prepaid Data Unlimited...$70.00/month plan...no 600kbps...pedal to the metal speeds unless network congestion
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You can set up auto pay and get $5 off and then use prepaid cards to pay.
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Gotta get the prepaid jetpack plan not postpaid.
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And this is why I need to find an alternative to Viasat.





Meanwhile...




Begs the question why would anybody switch plans with Viasat when customers are treated to this after the plan changes. There are other internet alternatives. If not wireless, Hughesnet, or perhaps something else in your area.
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My VIASAT was awful even before all this throttling. I wonder how bad it would be if I still had it? I honestly don't think it could have gotten worse.
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Since you were on Beam 329 like me and previously indicated you were on a Liberty Plan, it may have actually gotten better since the policy changes on January 15 to Freedom plans and Unlimited Plans sold before February 13, 2013. I actualy was seeing better performance prior to that official change date and suspect those chnages may have been implmented prior to the official chnaged date. 

Since February 11, 2019, I've been running regular sped tests at various times of the day. My only impression is that things appear to be better for me on a Liberty 12 plan. You can view the results at:

https://testmy.net/memberstats?type=user_name&q=The%20Walrus&TestType=D&limit=100&da...

Note that on February 22, 2019 at 10:00 AM I entered Liberty pass mode so take that into account. My excessive testing is done and was in response to a specific question about how Liberty Plans were on 329 after the policy change from someone trying to gauge if switching from an affected plan to Liberty was in her best interest. I don't need to waste any more data on drawing my conclusions, reset today and the last speed tests confirm my "normal" speeds have now returned.    

My overall impression, however, is that my prime time (peak usage) period "speeds" are much better overall as long as I have not exceeded my priority data and even when on Liberty pass may be slightly better.

Draw your own conclusions from the data provided, everybody's going to anyway and your mileage may have varied.

The only hard conclusion I can draw after exporting that data and doing some number crunching is that:

  • Average "speed" while not on Liberty Pass - 13.18
  • Median "speed" while not on Liberty Pass - 14.23
  • Average "speed on Liberty Pass - 6.72
  • Median "speed" on Liberty Pass - 7.32
Basically what I'm paying for (up to 12 Mbps with priority data and slower (de)prioritized speeds after), but a formal statistical sampling wasn't attempted and a more rigorous approach would have been to sample every 15 minutes over the course of that time frame with the same 13 MB file size on each - but I didn't/don't have the data to waste on that. I'm also reasonably confident that the testmy results are acurrate (despite some flaws in their display algorithms). My routers throughput statistics were pretty much in agreement when the tests were run. 
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I never saw anything like your speeds and I had techs out 3 times and I even put in new cabling. I have a feeling on a wild guess all beams have sweet spots and bad spots. I think I have some strange issues where I am at that I do not have the tech knowledge to figure out, nor do I really care to try now that Verizon seems suitable for my minimal needs. Some examples of what I think is weird I can leave my outdoor TV antennae in the same spot and the reception will vary wildly from one day to the next at the exact same time with no change in the weather. What is odd is bright sunny days seem the worst for reception. With my cell phone it will drift from 0-3 bars sitting in the same spot in a matter of seconds. You can move the Verizon Jetpack around in the house a matter of 10 feet keeping it away from metal and electronics and the signal can go from 1mb to 12mb.
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@Al Santayos

If located in a beam's boresight, Rx/Tx transmissions should be excellent.  On peripheral areas of a beam, Viasat's TRIA will have to uplink a higher TX power.

Viasat's latest TRIA has GPS embedded, which I assume this is used to determine, on a clear day, how long it takes for your uplink transmission to reach the satellite.  If all users uplinks are in sync, being located in boresight or on peripheral areas should not make a difference.  

In Wildblue days, I don't think syncing was as refined as it is today. Back then, they had an issue with installers using short length coax cables, and for those living around a beam's boresight, their Tx signals were too strong, and causing "resets" on their equipment...as in the whole beam was shut down until their equipment reset.  Point here is that Tx power levels and syncing of all users must be fine tuned to get the fastest speed possible..

One stat to look at is, "Loss of Sync Count"  If this value increases from zero, on a clear day, there might be an issue.
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From the Viasat makes no sense department, all weekend I was mired in speeds below 1Mbps.  Yesterday it was around 300kbps.


Tonight...



To quote Stephen, nothing makes any sense!  Deliver this kind of speed during primetime and I wouldn't be looking at alternatives!
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I'm even have good speeds tonight.
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Version still kicking it though. Spent an evening testing. Higher speed, lower latency. Really can tell a difference.

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Still on the Liberty Pass until Monday. Speed test would probably be higher but I’m watching music videos on the color television set this morning via Roku and YouTube.
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Everybody's gearing up for Mardi Gras - order some King Cake while you can. When is the Krewe of Ramen scheduled to march??? After watching that instructional video...

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A friend of mine wants to go to a parade tonight.  I'm not too excited about the crowds and risk of getting shot but yeah...
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First one was in Mobile, AL. I wonder if they and New Orleans get annoyed with each other
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Primetime on the Liberty Pass. I used up my 12 gb of data a long time ago.

How I can get these speeds while others pay $150 a month for less than 1 mbps on unlimited plans is beyond me.

Nothing with Viasat makes sense anymore.

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Yup. I am on Freedom 12, I have used 25GB 3 weeks in, and I can't even do a speed test.  lol
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Don’t get me wrong, I like the speeds I am getting but I was perfectly fine with the way things were before. It was very easy to stay under my 12 gb data limit thanks to the free zone.

But now that my speeds never slow down, I don’t even use the free zone anymore.
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Veteran one would think so but dont think that is the way its going to go Viasat want us off these old plans its not congestion that is holding us back its them. I have never had problems with congestion until this push to get people off the 150 plan. Speeds will only come back when Viasat allows them to 
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Yes. After all, it is the "get people off 150GB plans" plan.

What's next? Getting rid of the free zone? Price increases? We plan designs that will cost more but promise more "features"?

Stay tuned!
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Getting rid of the free zone?
It actually wouldn't be all that surprising, at this rate, if that was a step that's taken in the near future, unfortunately.  Then again, maybe they'll get enough people off of the older unlimited plans so they won't "need" to do that.    
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I am now rocking and rolling on the Peplink Surf SOHO.

Speed test comparisons start later today. 

I have said it before.  You don't realize how bad satellite internet latency is until you use a land based provider.  It is like night and day.
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Satellite is only a good choice when you have no other good choices.
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I should have posted the speed test I did at my girffriend's house recently. She claims it is just standard cable but it clocked in at 147mbs. She is just about 5 miles from Washington DC, so pretty sure they have the best infrastructure in the USA.
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@Vet

If 6620L "thinks" it battery is charged, it can be seen here: http://my.jetpack/

I bought that new battery to evaluate the router's charging ability. If charged, there will be a message at top.  So far, no message, and Jetpack unit shows 100% battery status with this ebay router  They had several firmware/software updates, but I have no idea what they twitched.

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@Al Santayos

I suspect cable industry makes sure D.C., gets the best service...Good PR.
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So from the "nothing makes any sense department" as Stephen says...


Viasat...


Verizon...


Obviously no complaints with Viasat this afternoon.  A couple weeks ago it was below 500kbps at this time of day on a Sunday.

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Ah.  I checked the pictures of a couple that I looked at and I couldn't see the IMEI, so that's why I figured I need to ask them.  Good to know that some do show that, though.  
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Hrmphhh...  didn't know I should ask for the IMEI before it shipped...
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You should be fine. The firmware version could be a bigger issue if not at least 1.4. Then, according to Jab, you have to contact some random guy to flash it for you unless you can get Verizon to swap it for you (more hassles).
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@gabe you need to check the IMEI to be sure it's not flagged as stolen. I bought $80 of cards to pay my prepaid jetpack plan for $48. I will probably keep going back to the same seller. And it seems to be working fine now.
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I would definitely check it, and if it wasn't in the pictures/info or the wouldn't give it to me, I wouldn't buy it.  
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I follow my rural county broadband FB page and this information was posted:  Internet and cell service coverage in rural areas has been a frustration for year and on Monday, the National Association of Counties launched a mobile app geared toward getting accurate information regarding where coverage lacks.

The app, TestIT, was a partnership between NACo and the Local Initiatives Support Corporation and the Rural Community Assistance Partnership and was developed “to identify areas with low connectivity to help ensure adequate funding for broadband infrastructure,” according to a NACo release.

App users can test their broadband speed and compare their internet speeds to the national average and minimum standards established by the Federal Communications System.

The TestIT app is available in the Apple App Store or Google Play.

The app won’t collect personal information, according to NACO, but a snapshot of each sample will become part of a database that NACO and partners will use to analyze connectivity data nationwide. The data will also be used to identify areas where broadband service is overstated and underfunded by comparing the data to the National Broadband Map, according to NACO.

Maybe this can be helpful?  
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@Vet

Sidebar Tidbit - Spectrum Mobile is likely to steal customers from all four nationwide carriers, but for Verizon the blow will be cushioned by the payments it gets from Charter each time the cable company moves data across its network. Charter is reportedly paying Verizon $5 per gigabyte.

I have Exede-5-10 plan, and paying still $50.00/month...10GB x $5.00 = $50.00.

150GB x $5.00 = $750.00....

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95% of the time o have no idea..

I miss the old forum.
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@Vet

Take a break: "You Bet Your Life"
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I miss the old forum
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I never like this one and refused to use it for a good while.
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@jab with TestIT this morning using the pepwave surf Soho out of the box. Tethered to USB and also wifi on wan as second priority
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I really like it. I have the 8800l tethered to the USB and I have a 5 gigahertz WIFI on WAN as priority 2 so far. It did not detect the 8800l until I upgraded the firmware to 7.1.2. it shipped with 6.3.3. I have not been able to get to the VPN set up yet. It just came yesterday. It seems to make the 8800l more stable the way I have it set up. I have noticed it switches from the USB to wifi wan some. I bought the MK3 from Amazon. I wish I had done it before. I have looked at them for months.
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I really like it too. If I kept satellite internet it would plug into the other port and all networking would run through it. So for anybody with satellite internet looking for internet redundancy with wireless (or vica versa) it is a great option.

My only problem is I can't keep my 6620L powered up. It shuts down on me and then I have to restart it. Might have to move to a 7000 or 8000 like you. Otherwise, my Viasat internet has now been off for 48+ hours and I haven't run into a show stopper yet. Once I get rid of Viasat if I do decide to get satellite internet (which would be Hughesnet) I will have the new modem installed so I can run it through the Pepwave too!
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I have a 6620 and an AC791l but since I found that 8800l I have not bothered with the other two. I got the 6620 on a postpaid plan but I switched the sim back to my old uml290 + CradlePoint mbr900 at the time because that 6620l used too much data. So I never really used it much. I never got good reception here on it also - even tried antennas. I have used it off and on over the years but not much. I used it to sign up for this new jetpack plan but I actually switched the device to the 8800 when I got that. I have seen some flakey 8800 behavior but not since I hooked it up to the pepwave. My husband watched ESPN on our Roku last night (Duke game) on the pepwave and it was great. No buffering or disconnects. I am reluctant to give either of those old jetpacks up in case I want to add another line.

I'm a 68 yr old grandma who still works 40+ hrs a week as a remote SQL server DBA consultant so I have always been kind of a geek.
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I have another 6620 tied to my shared plan. I use it when I travel and it can be flaky too.

I am fiddling with some settings on it.

That is great you got an 8800. They can be pretty pricey (the same or more than a Pepwave). I could upgrade my old 6620 and get a 8800 for $100 (with a two year contract). Then put the prepaid unlimited SIM in it. Thanks for saying about the firmware update if I do that!

You mention streaming. I streamed Netflix at 1080p the other night, no problem. Haven't tried Amazon or HBO Go yet through the Roku. That will be another test. I have run my Plex server through the new network I installed. It worked fine.

So again, I am about 85% home on this.
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@Kay

With VPN setup on PepWave, there will be a performance hit.

PepWave has a Health Check (pg 31) menu, so ping time can be changed for WAN verification.

DNS and its Caching options are nice features (pg. 24+), especially if a sat WAN was used.

If an Yagi external antenna was used, and placed away and much higher than Jetpack modem, reception/transmission should be just fine, in your location.  With a signal booster setup, antenna should be as high as possible.  My signal booster is in same plane, but its shielded from backside EMF hitting Jetpack.  Coax cable used will make a difference on longer cable runs.


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