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So I know M.E.M. and some others on here were following my testing with PlayOn Cloud and in particular can you schedule downloads from it during the free zone.  The answer is yes, but you have to have the right plan.  I don't have a plan where I bought recording credits.  I bought the plan where I get x number of recording credits/month.  It is a monthly fee, but for $2.99 I get 10 credits of storage a month, storage that never expires and has a permanent download link for me (as long as I am a PlayOn Cloud subscriber of course). 

So I recorded some Amazon content on the PlayOn Cloud on October 8th.  I got an email on that date that I could then download the recording to my device.  I opened up that email on October 19th and the link from the 8th still applied and downloaded just fine.  Coupled with the Firefox Download Scheduler add-on, I could queue up these downloads to occur in the middle of the night if I wanted.


So in closing, while I continue to work with the PlayOn product, it seems like a very valuable add-on to use with Viasat Internet to reliably stream HD movies with no buffering, no matter what plan you have.  So if you want to save the most money, buy the cheapest plan Viasat will sell you (either an "unlimited" Bronze plan or a Liberty plan with the free zone), add PlayOn Cloud for $2.99/month (or $4.99 if you want to record 20 programs a month) and have frustration free streaming. 
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So, I could record a movie to the cloud storage, download that movie during the overnight period to my computer, then watch it whenever I want to?  If that's the case, that would be good, as I can connect my laptop to my TV and watch it on my TV.  

The site description seems convoluted and confusing.  I can't figure out what I would even need.  
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Yes you could. The cloud records the content in MP4 format and then you play that file on you computer or tablet.

As far as PlayOn, it can get confusing as they make a PC product that will record streaming right on your PC. That is a one-time purchase. The product works, but I have found Viasat to not be reliable enough to record content from certain providers. You can also buy the PlayOn cloud. That records content in the cloud, and then you play that content from a mobile device or download it to your PC. You use the PlayOn mobile app to setup the recording.
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Ah, okay.  What was confusing is whether I would need PlayOn Cloud AND PlayOn Desktop, or just PlayOn Cloud, due to using a desktop (actually laptop) for pretty much everything, or at least the downloading and playing parts.

Thanks.  :)    
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Nope. You don't need both. I have both, but they are two independent products. You only need one if them to record streaming content.
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So I recorded some Amazon content on the PlayOn Cloud on October 8th.  I got an email on that date that I could then download the recording to my device.  I opened up that email on October 19th and the link from the 8th still applied and downloaded just fine.
Does the link require that you login or sign-in to your PlayOn account? I assume it would... if so, does this imply that you must login and leave the browser logged in to the account to schedule downloads via the broswer?
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Yes.  But I had closed my browser (Firefox) and opened it the next day and it remembered my login credentials.  So I am not sure how often you have to sign back into your PlayOn account. 
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I have not been able to replicate VeteranSatUser's experience with the PlayOn Cloud link. That is one reason I prefer the PC version of PlayOn.
Firefox browser has a nice feature that other browsers do not have. It will allow a download to begin and then be interrupted. In that case, Firefox assigns the partly downloaded file a name with the extension ".PART". Firefox will try to resume this partially downloaded file if the download is invoked again.
My download manager is "Free Download Manager" version 5.1.37.7258. It is integrated into my Firefox browser. VeteranSatUser, what is your download scheduler, since you get different results than I do?
As I have said before, I cannot get beyond the secondary temporary link (which requires my PlayOn Cloud credentials to proceed) when I am not physically at my computer, as is the case for scheduling. Maybe a macro would solve this problem for me but that is more than I want to tackle.
As I understand it, you do not have a LNFZ, making this topic irrelevant to you. Am I correct.
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Do you pay a monthly PlayOn Cloud subscription? I don't get any temporary link with the plan I have.
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That is interesting. I cancelled my PlayOn Cloud subscription last month, but I had both the $4.99/mo plan and the $2.99/mo plan before that. My recordings were saved in the cloud for future downloading at my convenience. 
But here is my question. You said in your original post that "Coupled with the Firefox Download Scheduler add-on, I could queue up these downloads to occur in the middle of the night if I wanted." Could and did have different meanings. Did you actually schedule a successful download from PlayOn Cloud that was scheduled for at least 12 hours into the future without further intervention by you? If you can answer this question with a simple yes, then something in your system is remembering your PlayOn credentials while that is not the case for me.
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Yes. Firefox is remembering my account info.
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M.E.M.

VeteranSatUser's "Firefox Download Scheduler add-on" is a browser extension while Free Download Manager's Firefox "integration"  appears to consist of simply the ability to schedule/start downloads in the Free Download Manager application itself - FDM itself doesn't run in the browser but as a separate process. It's only that little add-on piece included for various browsers that allows you to conveniently right click on a link and get it over to the FDM applications download list without the need for copy/paste or manual URL entry.

It would appear that the PlayOn site "remembers" credentials using cookies, much the same as this site remembers credentials until you either explicitly sign off, the user name (or authentication) cookie expires,, or cookies are cleared which ever comes first. You'd have to decipher the cookies  to determine the expiry date - e.g. this site's expires in 30 days after which I'll be forced to login (without a clear of cookies).

VeteranSatUser's extension would be able to leverage that cookie since it runs in the browser. It would continue to work as long as the cookie were valid and available. That would equally apply to any fully browser-based download manager.

The FDM application wouldn't be able to expose that browser cookie to prevent user name and password prompting - FDM would specifically need to include a lot of logic to handle forms-based logins as they are encountered and somehow allow you teach it how to handle that form-based login for username and password.

Or at least that's my best guess and some guesses are better than others - someday I'll actually buy an android device and complete a more exhaustive exposé ;)   

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No you are spot on as usual . The extension I add to Firefox is just that, an extension that controls the starting and stopping of downloads in the browser. The files start to download, are then paused, then resume downloading in Firefox at the assigned time.

Old Labs. You do not need to buy an Android. You can run an Android emulator on your PC and see if that will work with the PlayOn cloud app.
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Yep, I know - seems to me at first glance that may be a way for M.E.M. to work around his older  iPad issue and getting the downloaded files to his PC. If an emulator faithfully runs the Playon Cloud app (including the beta scheduling thingy), then the scheduled/downloaded files would be on the PC and presumably accessible. If I'm ever up during the free zone I might try one of the emulators to see what happens.

What would concern me most is the need to leave the PC up and running while awaiting the scheduled downloads during the free zone; however, I suspect I could work around it with scheduled tasks to awaken the PC from sleep prior to free zone and put it back to sleep at the end of the free zone.

In my case I'd probably just swing by the library of McDs to download them anyway ;)
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You need the app to queue up content to stream in the cloud too.
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Old Labs, they do have emulators to run Android apps from within Windows (maybe Bluestacks is the name or something like that, haven't looked for a long time), but any I looked at ran them using a Virtual Machine. The few things I tried weren't the best, some glitches, and on a weaker system, used a fair amount of processor. On my little 2 in 1 the system fan was running fairly fast all the time. That Android x86 I mentioned isn't emulated. It installs similar to a regular Linux install. Then you can dual boot with Windows. In fact I replaced the Linux install on that laptop. So, care needs to be taken, and I think it would be best to partition off space using Windows. It's been over a year since I installed it, so don't remember specifics. I plan on updating but never get around to it, and wanted their next version to have more testing first. But running, can't tell it from a regular Android tablet.

They had another version from another company that was more desktop oriented, but it's discontinued.
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Bluestacks is the name.
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As usual with things, did some stuff but didn't spend much time with it.  Unless something's changed, Bluestacks was using a very old Android version, something like 4.4.  I also updated my laptop to the latest 8.x release candidate of And. x86.  Spent like 20 minutes total (downloaded the file on my unlimited Verizon prepaid phone (18 down/4 up where I am at all times of day, 10 miles from the tower, 29ms pings, unlimited slow but usable hotspot averaging 0.7 meg, also 29ms pings, 480p video with ways around it, and paying ~$40 to $46/month utilizing ebay to buy $80 total refills for the $75 plan, $5 credit left over).  So my memory is a little "refreshed".  I would suggest if you don't know what you're doing, be careful, back up your system.  Use Windows to make a new partition, as big as you want, but "phone size", 32GB would be good if installing a few apps.  Download the file, I use Rufus (google that) to make a usb stick.  You can then restart, boot to usb, a menu should come up, you can use it live from usb or install. I installed, signed in.  Couple glitches with the Play Store, but it was updating, restart and it was "ok".  Playon Cloud did install and I did log in.  It showed my shows from what I set up before, etc.  I did not schedule anything, but it looked like it worked.  Also, I haven't really looked if there is a way to download to Android and save on the Windows partition, there might be, just haven't looked into it.  I only use it for basic browsing as it is, sometimes (I do have a Fire tablet too that I use most of the time).  If there isn't I think an external drive would be an easy way around it.  Also, although I have a touchscreen, I purposely set everything up without using the screen.  Those familiar with Android will know how it works, it actually works pretty well without a touchscreen.  With this release, security updates are around Oct. 5th I think.