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Hi - does anyone know, since I'm new to Evolution, if Pinterest is considered a basic website (thereby uncountable)?How about Tumblr?  I am under the assumption it's more for the likes of Hulu, Youtube, etc. Gotta get my daily dose of Pinterest, or I'm doomed. 
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Roberta, on another thread I am trying to find out the answers to questions like this one, which is, are there elements on those web pages like Pinterest and Tumblr that might contribute to data cap erosion.  I would think that either of those ought to be straight up web page browsing and not count toward the cap (unless you are clicking on an embedded video), but I think that this we need to know for sure!
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This is one of the things I find most bothersome about Exede and the Evolution plan is to me the data metering is not clearly defined and sometimes seems erratic and unpredictable.  And, like many others,  I find some of the answers given to seem to be a bit evasive in nature.  If Exede would find a way to be more transparent about exact data use (on all plans) we might be willing to wait out the new satellite and see if they are able to offer the Freedom plan to most areas, however, because the data usage isn't clearly defined and difficult to track we are continuing to pursue an alternate provider even though we'd give up a lot of the speed we have through Exede to connect.  
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Hi Roberta and Ed,

Think about it this way, it's all about pixels, aka dots on the screen.

Viewing an image, or multiple images as in Pinterest requires a certain amount of load time and data transfer. Black and white images are smaller files than colored images. 12 shades compared to 6 million.

Once you load the page, the amount of data used is done, and the hit on your allotment is minimal. If you upload or download an image, it will eat more data to complete that movement. You are breaking the image down into pixels, and then reassembling them to product the copy of the image.

This is why videos and or movies are such data hogs. The pixels are moving. 60 frames per second, or like 60 images per second.

That's, 36000 images for a 10 minute video. And, you are downloading each and every one of them, pixel by pixel.

So, when you're viewing Pinterest, the load of data for a page to open is compressed and minimal data loss. Download or upload one of the images, does come at a higher price in data.

And as for any internet page you might visit, if things are moving, or flashing, you are downloading a higher rate of data "Gig's". The pixels are moving.

Viewing the Mona Lisa is priceless. Mixing the paint to produce the image is work.

Hope it kind of helps,
Everett
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A. Everett Neuman

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Answer after my pixel rant, Pinterest is like MSN. Once you land on the page, it starts loading the data fast "mil a seconds". Then the hit is over, unless it's moving.

Everett
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Everett,

Thanks for the lesson on pictures and videos, although the way you describe videos is incorrect.  Video data is compressed and just the changes from frame to frame are transmitted, not the entire screen bit image for each frame.

However, we are talking specifically about the Evolution package, which includes "unlimited" web browsing and email.  They specifically talk about streaming videos as counting toward the data cap, but no any other page element is documented.  There are many things that can move or flash that are not high bandwidth.  I am trying to find out what, exactly, is above and beyond the "unlimited" so that I can avoid it, to the extent possible, given that you have little control over what someone has coded into a webpage, except that some sites are known to have many such elements, like animated GIFs in their web pages (like Senor GIF on FailBlog).
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This page may help clarify what's counted and what's not: http://www.exede.com/evolution
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Hi Roberta,

This is why I enjoy the forum, you can get some great feedback to your questions.  

Web Page refers to the content (text and
images) displayed within a web browser application from websites where the URL
starts with http:// or https://.
It does not include:



  • embedded video, audio

  • downloads

  • gaming
Email is any message and/or attachment, under 25MB, that is
sent or received through an email application or web mail.
NOTE: Embedded
items in web pages and email will count toward the 5GB data
allowance.



Pinterest can count against your data allowance.  I recommend checking your usage meter on a regular basis to make sure you are not quickly reaching your data allowance.

If you have any other questions or concerns, please send an email to exedelistens@viasat.com with your contact information and the best time to reach you.
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Hi Kamalla,
The http:, https: should make no difference. The added S to http means the site is secure.

The www is not even necessary anymore when entering a website's name.

Embedded does mean to "Attach and image or video" to a website page, and email or a post comment here on the forum or on say Facebook.

Hope it helps,
Everett
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Thank you for your help Everett.  So, would that mean just viewing the images or banners in my unlimited e-mail count toward the data limit?
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Hi Kamalla,

No.

Viewing an image you received in an email will not effect the data limit. This would also be true for viewing an image on a website page.

If you move the image, and it's size is fairly large (high detail), then that might count towards your limit. 

Buy moving, I mean, copying an image from a website and downloading it to your computer. The same would apply if your paste a large image into an email, and then send it.

You are moving larger lumps of data (gigs or a portion there of).

If you where to paste a video into an email. The video is stagnate, not running, just a copy of code.

If you go to a website that is displaying a video, and you have no blockers in place, the video is already starting to load as you look at it, before you click the play button.

If it's moving, or you move it, it burns an equal amount of data.

Hope it helps,
Everett
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OK.  What about checking e-mail through Thinderbird as Pop3?
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A. Everett Neuman

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Should not be an issue.
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I'll be the first to say it...  What exactly in Pinterest "can count against your data allowance" if this is not a streaming video or music?  This is exactly what we are trying to understand...
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I want the answer to this too.  On the unlimited web-surfing Evolution plan if Pinterest is just words & pictures why would it count toward the data usage?  Or, more specifically why would it SUCK up the data usage when it's not supposed to count toward it at all in that particular plan?
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Hi Kamalla,
Pinterest might be a border line situation. The pages are heavy with high detail (megapixels) images.

Viewing the images, and or opening several pages one after the other will burn some data (bits of gig's). If you download or upload high quality images, you moving larger amounts of data.

Large images can be 2 gig's or more. Any time you have the option to download a ZIPPED file of the image, use it.

I can't be 100% positive, but on the Evolution plan; Viewing an image on a web page, might not count. But MOVING an image, upload or downloading, probably does count towards your gig allotment.

I can just go by Exede's description of the program, AKA, viewing websites and checking email.

I'm on the 10 Gig plan, and if I want to download ANY large files I do it during the happy hours 12 - 5 am.

Hope it helps,
Everett
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I found this at: http://www.gn.apc.org/support/understanding-file-sizes

It might help give an idea of file sizes and the amount of data "Gig's" that move during any internet transaction.



Hope it helps,
Everett
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Hi Everett...  I appreciate the attempt at help, but the real issue is what is included (or more specifically, excluded) from this specific (Evolution) plan
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Well I think the point I'm trying to make is; if the data you are viewing, or you are downloading, is moving data, a hit on the Gig's. Most web pages are almost dynamic. Frozen in time, once you have landed on the page and it is open for viewing. Minimal hit on the data.

If you do not have a blocker in place on your browser, videos will automatically start playing "and downloading the data faster than you can watch the video", this will be Meg's of data every few seconds. Heaver hit on the Gig's bag.

Maybe I'm expressing a easy explanation of why people don't understand where the Gig's are going. But this is the basic idea.

If you try to move it, or if it's moving while you watch it, your into your Gig's allotment. If it's just text and frozen background, its kilobits with a minimal hit on the Gig's.

I use a program called BitMeter OS, it tracks in real time and allows you to see the differences when a page loads. It does make a difference. And I believe this is what Exede is trying to express with their Evolution plan.

Are you just surfing? Or do you want to see and hear the waves move?

I can go into a deeper interpretation like 1111's and 000's, then into machine code. But it makes my head hurt. 

Everett
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Everett, again I appreciate the effort.  I have a degree in computer science and understand all the bits and gigs and bandwidth issues better than about 99% of the people and if this is making my head hurt, try to understand how the average person feels.  However, this has nothing whatsoever to do with bits, bytes, gigs, 1's and 0's, it has to do with trying to figure out what they charge us for an what they don't charge us for.

To lighten things up... There are just 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who don't!

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