One satellite internet provider?

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Just reading today that pressure is building on AT&T to dump Directv and merge with Dish in the shrinking satellite TV market.

The same already occurred with satellite radio when Sirius and XM merged.

So food for thought. What is the likelihood Hughesnet buys Viasat's subs or Viasat buys Hughesnet's subs? Given Viasat's divested interests, I could see them getting out of the residential business, but who knows.

Something to watch.
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No one seems to remember the good old days before Directv purchased USSB.
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Or when Directv was a good company!
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I  miss the big dish
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If the LEO providers are successful at all, the geostationary providers will be out of business. I would not be surprised to see a merger as a last gasp before bankruptcy.
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There will still be a need for satellite internet to service commercial airlines I would think.
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I'm pretty happy with my Liberty 12 plan for $60 a month, but if I could get LEO internet for the same price or lower with a locked in price, I'd certainly consider jumping ship.

There is a possibility I might be able to get cable internet now, but they want $70 a month after their introductory rate expires.  No thank you. 

I've used up my priority data for the month and my speed is currently 3.36 mbps.  Thats good enough for me and at a sweet price as well!
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Cable here is 100 Mbps for $65/month. I’d be all over that if I could get it to my house. I am on Liberty 25 for $75/month, but may drop back to Liberty 12 as my data is gone so fast that it really doesn’t matter how much I have. Being slow for 28 days of the month vs 26 days hardly matters. And Liberty 12 in my area shows as $50/month which is cheaper than cable so might as well save money given the slow performance.

When I changed from Liberty 50 to Liberty 25 the difference was basically not noticeable other than the $25/month cost saving.

My speed is unusually good at the moment. Unfortunately, this is the exception rather than the norm.
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I pay $50 a month for Liberty 12 plus $10 for my equipment lease, hence me saying $60 a month.
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If AT&T dumped DirecTV rather than combining it with Dish, maybe DirecTV could build back their reputation as a once again independent company.  AT&T absolutely ruined them.  If they spun them off I'd be as happy as a lark.  
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I think the last network TV series I watched was NYPD Blue, though I didn't watch it all the way through to the end.  Save for the evening news, nothing really interests me on network TV these days, and that is especially the case with the plethora of "reality" shows. 
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@ExSat Probably the same here. I really don’t know, but I moved into my new house in 2000 and haven’t had cable since then so I know for sure it was that long ago as we have never watched a series on OTA. Just an occasional show and the evening news now and then.
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Reality shows are crap. But they are cheap and easy to produce.

Amazon, Netflix, Showtime, HBO, etc. can all do series shows much, much better. Probably because they can be edgier and are well written. Even some cable channels (AMC comes to mind) can do better than network.

Then when it comes to original movies, the networks can't even come close to the providers mentioned above.
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@ExSat. I have found AcornTV to have the best content by far if you are looking for well-written shows that have a semblance of a plot. If you are looking for violence, bizarreness, profanity, etc., then you will be well served by Netflix, Amazon and the like
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Yea. Amazon and Netflix meet my viewing needs, but thanks for the recommendation!
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ATT/DTV have said no more sats in production. It knows streaming tv will take over. 10 or so years and good by sat tv, at least it will free up more MHz. I have a special hate for DirecTV as those guys took me all the way to the supreme court and lost, but still that's my damn permanent record.
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The way I read it was the northern US gets coverage first, followed by the south by the end of 2020. 6 more launches before basic coverage.
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And that likely assumes all launches are on time and successful and we all know that isn’t the case.
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Of course, failures happen.  But, as "fast and furious" as launches are planned (possibly 6 this year, iffy, but possibly), and I forget, but I think they said over 20 next year, if one fails, they might pause to investigate.  Having that many ready to go, I don't think they'd delay that long.

Everything is an "if", of course, it just looks a bit more promising than other alternatives have.  I was hopeful for VS-1, cautiously optimistic, but never saw coverage or any major improvement  from that (no coverage, minimal increase in browsing speed with Exede 5 upgrade, still massive congestion, and the beam closed for years within a couple months of "upgraded" service), no coverage from VS-2 ($110 plan at the cheapest now), and nothing to get excited about VS-3 (more of the same).  So, disappointment is definitely a possibility and won't be shocking.  Except with these attempts, if not this company, then another, unless they are blocked.  At least one ~should succeed, so if there's a failure, waiting should result in something that actually works, this time.
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I agree. All we can do is speculate. I, for one, wish them well. Satellite will always be a distant cousin to optical fiber, but for really rural areas and for mobile service, satellites hold a lot of promise if done right. For high bandwidth and low latency communications, LEO is satellites done right. Geostationary is great for things like weather that are relatively low bandwidth sent to fixed ground stations, but for internet it was never a good solution and never will be.

I am hoping to have fiber soon and that is far and away the best solution for communications, but I do wish for much better satellite service for those of you who may never get fiber or at least not anytime soon. LEO is by far the most promising solution for the rural areas that have no other options and, if the receiving antennas don’t have to do any tracking, it could be a great option for mobile internet as well taking some pressure off the cell networks. At the least, it should help keep cell prices in check by offering a viable alternative.
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Yes, satellite tech has the most "promise" of getting more coverage to more people, and LEO "cures" the latency issue.  I'd think with a small number of companies doing LEO right, high capacity, reliable setups.  I'd think a small number would be better than a whole bunch crowding orbital space.  Maybe they could do something like an MVNO setup with other companies (if Viasat isn't doing their own, maybe that).  They could offer different service options to go with it, things here and there (like bundling a streaming music/video service, phone, I don't know, things like that).

Phone company said fiber would be here 10 years ago.  They upgraded out the other side of town, like 15-20 miles out.  But, it's a locally owned company, in a village of about 200 people, and they have had the company for sale for some time, very doubtful anything will be done.  Their fiber options match what they have in town.  $85 for 5 meg.  That would be "fine", but my cell is faster, and cheaper....
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My case wasn't anything fun. Just DTV extorting money from what it thought was a pir8. Didn't expect to end up in supreme court, took a donation to eff to help out. Don't think this was final ruling but if your bored Goog /docketfiles/07-1261.htm
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So, the case essentially concerned the pirating of DirecTV's signal?  
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Something like that it appears. And Directv singled out a couple consumers that they perceived were involved. Went through the Ninth Circus Court and then appealed to Supreme Court it looks like.
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Zero evidence trials. I was told not to respond, didn't think it would go all the way to the top. The supreme court does print a nice little case book as a souvenir however......for a more fun read try Oliver lightning gun.
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How about you just focus your talents on high speed, low latency, truly unlimited internet for any location in America :).
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I notice you didn’t deny that you did it. Just that DirectTV didn’t have evidence. Interesting...