Liberty 12 vs Essential 10...anyone have real world experience?

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I'm looking for someone with experience with these 2 plans, i'm not even a little bit interested in Exedes sales explanation between the 2 because I know that won't be real world, just looking for someone who has had both or at least has experience with Essential 10.  I have Liberty 12 and after my priority data is gone the Liberty pass(sold as 1-5mbps), never "exedes" .2-.3 mbps which is virtually unusuable.  So, long story short, i'm thinking i should just save $30/month by going down to the Essential 10 plan, anyone have thoughts/experience on this?
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I personally don't have Essentials 10 but, a good friend of mine does. She is an elderly woman and only needs the internet to get email from her children so that she can see pictures of her grand children. She does not use social media or go on forums, shop or anything like that. Still she uses up her 10 GB in two to three weeks and then, the photos her kids send to her load very slowly or, not at all.

Yes the text part is fine, but any media is slowed, pictures, graphics on websites, etc... like Liberty virtually unusable unless all you need is text.

For her, that's okay, she can go have a cup of coffee or clean up the house a bit while photos load, but I don't think that would be okay for anyone that actually wants to use the web for more than text only email and maybe reading the weather forecast or something.

In today's world, it really doesn't matter what plan you have, if you want to use the web and enjoy even 50% of what's out there, 10 or 12 GB per month simply isn't enough data.

We finally went with the Business 50 plan, we do use it for our farm business but, that's mostly email and, we use it for sending and receiving paperwork my husband needs as a truck driver. Still that accounts for about 6-7 GB per month. Add his audio book downloads, which are his entertainment when he's on the road and, that takes it to 12 to 15 GB per month. The rest is personal use and, we allow only 20 minutes of streaming ANYTHING per week, use large media blockers and ad blockers, have the computers set to metered connection, etc... By the end of the month we have uses 35 to 45 GB (depending on if we did updates for windows or phones that month or not.)

That still means only a few short how to videos on YouTube, no streaming music, no On Demand from our DTV system all ads and media over 250 KB on any website or in any email is blocked and has to be allowed per item, if it's important we see what is blocked.

Slowed on any plan is largely dictated by congestion and, most beams are pretty well sold out, so under at least moderate congestion the majority of the time and, heavy during peak house. Out of data, slowed service is going to creep to a near halt regardless of plan. You need enough data at high speeds to do what you do without getting slowed.

I know that isn't financially possible for some but, consider carefully and, do the best you can to get a plan that comes close to what you want or need to do online.
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Bev, I am wondering if perhaps you might help your friend check to see if she is doing everything possible with her settings so that she maximizes her monthly allowance. The reason I say this is I have the Exede 12-10 gb plan (non Liberty). I have the 12mn-5a LNFZ, and I never run out of GB, ever.

I spend hours per day on my laptop, reading emails and surfing all over the place and moderating a forum.  I also do quite a bit of online shopping.  Because I use a flash blocker and rarely stream at all outside of the LNFZ, I just never run out of data.  So I am wondering what is causing your friend to use up all her data so quickly, even though she is doing way less online than I am. 

Justin:
I thought about switching to the Liberty plan, but realized it just wouldn't make any sense for me to do that...I'd lose my LNFZ, which I use to record netflix and amazon prime video stuff via PlayOn, for one thing.  

And since eve/prime time congestion is a major problem where I live, I have major speed slowdowns every day during prime hrs...even though I DON'T have a Liberty plan.  For example, I just used speedtest.net and got:
2.28 down and 0.99 up--during the day, I sometimes still get those nice high exede speeds like in the good old days, but never during prime time anymore.  

And the thing is, even when my speeds are THAT low, I can still stream netflix/amazon video...and have no problems with surfing or emailing.  So, while clearly my primetime speeds are pretty awful compared to what they were when I first signed up, before this congestion got to be such a problem...the major effect of that slowing of speed is that my 10Gb allowance goes a LOT further than it did before the congestion got to causing such a huge slowdown in speeds. 

For example, I am one week into my current billing cycle and have used only 11% of my 10 Gb....so, if that keeps up this way, then I will have a lot left over toward the end of my cycle to "play" with by streaming during non-Free hours if I want to.  When I had higher speeds overall all the time, I did use up most of my 10Gb every month...but not since the congestion became such a problem..so there is that hidden benefit to slower speeds in some cases.  If I were  gamer, I am sure I would be VERY unhappy, but I am not.

After thinking all that through back when I first got the Liberty plan offer, I decided that at this point,I am clearly better off sticking with my Exede 12--10Gb plan at this time.
And that was even before I heard reports like yours of speeds WAY below the 1-5 mb that I thought were supposed to be the Liberty average.  That sure makes it sound like Liberty plans may not be working as they should in some cases....

I also noticed by the way, that if I DID switch to the Liberty plan, there would be no future choice of switching back to the Exede 12/10 Gb  plan , since it is no longer being offered in my beam..There are no plans currently being offered here that have a LNFZ.  I can keep it since I already have it, and I don't want to lose it, frankly.  

With my PlayOn subscription, I can get a lot of use out of my LNFZ to stream/record movies/tv shows I can then watch at a later time without using up any of my allowance.

Oh, and as Old Labs pointed out, since I do use my laptop heavily during prime time hours, that is another reason not to switch to a Liberty Plan, when speeds are likely to be the slowest of all.

But I am wondering if there would likely be a large volume of customers who would be happy with a plan best not used during certain hours of the day, like from 5p-Midnight...although in my beam,the speeds remain as slow as what I mentioned above long after midnight these days...the congestion occurs then too, of course.  I fear the fact that not many people are likely (I think) to limit their prime time use is a factor which is going to limit how helpful the Liberty plans can be in ameliorating congestion problems.
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Thank you for your insightful response Bev, it is appreciated.  I guess the thing I'm trying to figure out is, if once out of priority data all plans are essentially unusable, which it sounds like is the case, I may as well take the one that is the cheapest?
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For all intents and purposes, the Essential 10 Plan is identical to the legacy Exede 12-10 plan with one exception, it offers an Early Bird Free Zone (3:00 AM - 8:00 AM) rather than a Late Nite Free Zone (12:00 AM - 5:00 AM). The only real guarantee (see the fine print - speeds are never guaranteed regardless of plan and always subject to network management policies) is that data used during the free zone period is not counted against your monthly allotment. Although speed returns to normal once you exceed the monthly allotment during free zone periods, actual speeds during that time frame will depend on how many others are using it at the same time - historically speeds have been fairly good and for me see better now that the Liberty Plan data allowance policy appears to be enforced (see http://www.exede.com/documents/master/data-allowance-policy.pdf).

Liberty Plans (more specifically the Liberty Pass mode) may make sense to those who utilize it during non-peak hours during the day since unlike Essential 10 it's not a hard cap and subject to current network utilization.
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Take one with a free zone if you cannot afford one with enough data to suit you, at least then you can set an alarm and download some things then.
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I went from the Classic 10 to the Essential 10 when the speeds got really slow from 12:00 to 3:00 - 4:00. I got a LOT better speeds with the 3:00 to 8:00 LNFZ. We used the LNFZ for anything data intensive and have everything locked down tight so we don't have any unwanted data use, including Win 10. There's two of us using the internet here and almost never went over.
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I have Liberty Plan 12 which works great for me. But I'm only on computer during the day. So far haven't been in Liberty Pass. I do Facebook, search the web, short U Tube.So I'm very happy with it and my speeds are real good.
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We have Liberty Plan 12 and it works fine for us.  A huge improvement over the older plans as we don't have the time or interest in using the LNFZ.  Those plans were worthless to us.  However, that being said, if you do like LorrieL above and use services like Netflix or similar a lot, you would likely be better off with one with a free zone to do your downloading.  We do like to stream a movie now and then but as people that grew up with black and white tv with foil on the rabbit ears watching grainy pictures much of the time, we don't care if it's high def or not.  Liberty Pass works fine to watch a quick YouTube video or other video, you may have to wait for it to load  but even when it's slow most nights it works fine.  As far as regular internet use, pages load fine, most of the time photos load fine, I can play a game here and there.  Tonight I checked our speed and it was 0.25 mbps which is slow but I just checked and it loaded a Netflix program and it ran, I am able to browse, email is fine.  During the day we usually run close to the 5 mbps which works fine for my husband to work from home.  We do like to stream live sports casts during the winter from time to time, that could be an issue on Liberty Pass speeds but we can always bump up our plan or buy extra if we need.  But obviously a plan with a LNFZ wouldn't help that as live games don't occur during the LNFZ.  

Basically if you have heavy downloading needs then I would consider the Classic 10 (or what ever they call it) otherwise the Liberty Plan gives a more relaxed and "normal" internet experience.  Though you also might want to check and see how busy your beam is as well, I know people are reporting that they are getting speeds they can't use on the Pass in the evenings on some beams.  
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Just switched to Essential 10, at least it has the LNFZ, so i'll have an hour or so of useable internet per day before i go to work, right now it never works well enough to do anything.  This weekend I was trying to look up a recipe on Google, it took 30-45 seconds for the page to load, same for the weather, same for just about any app that uses data.  If this type of unusuable continues we are just going to go without service, I'll disconnect, ship the router back, and blow up the dish with tannerite, ha!  No service and an early termination fee is preferable to this situation. 
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Just be aware it's an EBFZ (early bird 3:00 AM - 8:00 AM) not LNFZ (late night 12:00 AM - 5:00 AM).
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At least I can read the news before I go to work, sure can't do it during any kind of peak traffic time.
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Well that was a mistake, I thought they couldnt slow a person any more than they do on Liberty pass, but day one of Essential 10 shows me they certainly can.  My latency spiked from 700-900 all the way to 1700-1900 and my speeds slowed from .25mpbs or so to .05-.07mpbs.  So Liberty Pass is "basically unusuable most of the time", but this is completely useless, you can't even google slowest internet on the planet so you can see the Exede logo there.  At the point where disconnecting seems like the best option, I think I've got enough evidence of their crookedness to tell them where they can put the ETF.  
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Hamster in the Exede satellite is cranking out a solid .20mbps today, took me three trys to get this forum page to load!!  Well done, give that hamster a treat.