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This is great. I just wish this was more consistent. Hopefully one day it will.
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Don't be miss-leading people.  You use all of your priority data and your speeds go down, as they should.  Stay within your data limit and stop miss-leading people with your insane posts.
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I’m not misleading people. I’m saying the internet is $#1+ at night. When I need it the most I can’t even load a dang webpage. I don’t have insane posts either, my posts are my opinions of the internet service and that’s what a blog is for.
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I get high speeds almost all the time. Thanks to the late night free zone, I rarely use up my 12 gb of priority data.

I am paying for up to 12 mbps and this morning my speed is 18 mbps. Thats way faster than what i got with AT&T DSL and my bill is $10 a month cheaper.

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As long as I can track miles and expenses, save and organize receipts and log 680 miles... I'm good.

Who is this and what have you done to yourguytim? Will you be releasing him after exhausting his priority data? If so we have some data saving tips that will allow you to keep him longer.
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I’m not gonna get up 2 o’clock to use the freakin internet.
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yourguytim

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Stephen Rice, you tested that at 9:00. The internet always works fine then.
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Old Labs (VS1-329-L12FZ)

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You don't have to get up - Stephen doesn't - he schedules events that can run unattended during free zone hours - try listening to what folks are trying to tell you. It's a matter of preserving/stretching your priority data for what's really important to you and eliminating all of the crap that today's web sites push on you.
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I do that.
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Old Labs (VS1-329-L12FZ)

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Then tell us exactly where your data is going, You do track it in detail don't you? How do you eliminate all of the stuff  that you don't want? How do you block HTML5 autoplay media? Better still how do you stop HTML5 media preloading? How do you block ads? How do you manage automatic updates? How do you tame sites having unruly java script?

The list goes on, but apparently you've got them all covered. Enjoy your priority data while it lasts.
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I set as many updates as I can to load at 2:00 but that’s kinda it. I watch videos at 360p and try manage data the best I can.
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When I said tell us exactly, I was thinking more along the lines of details like the following representing my usage for today (click to enlarge):

Stats for 1 Windows device:



Stats for all devices on my home network today:



It's only with that level of detail that you can address unwanted usage.

You think your managing your usage, but it's probably managing you. Let us know when you want to get serious about managing it but be forewarned it's a lot of work.

You do realize that your Liberty Free Zone is from 3:00 AM to 6:00 AM - loading updates at 2:00 AM is obviously outside of your free zone. Only the old classic plans had a 12:00 AM  - 5:00 AM free zone and Evolution was 3:00 AM to 8:00 AM.
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This is dumb.
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That says it all tim, you've exposed yourself and shown us that Jim16's assessment was correct from the getgo... enjoy but at least defer your update downloads until 3:00 AM, the start of your free zone but even then I suspect you're deferring the install(s) not the download(s).
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That's Liberty Pass for you. Once you use all your priority data you get slowed on peak hours 5pm-12am. During the daytime mornings and early afternoons you will see better speeds. You can always buy more priority data or change plans with more data at any time
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Ya but more priority data is $10 for 1 gig. Joke.

It’s the only plan available for me.
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Brad I got an idea for you. Lighten up. Get some cheaper plans out with like 200gb of priority with a consistent 5-10 mbp. It’s not impossible so do it. This what other rural internet companies do. Not milk my money and give me a return of $#1+.
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Those other rural internet have the luxury of hopping into the pickup truck, driving out to the cornfield and adding capacity. Viasat doesn't have that capability - the capacity is fixed at the time of launch and is some 22000 miles away.   
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Viasat has already done the dirty work. They have expensive plans that have high priority data. Now just lighten up and make it cheaper to compete with other rural internet
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I'm lightened up. Cooler than ice right now.

Old Labs is correct though the only way to expand data capacity would be more satellites which we do have plans for in the next 2 years or so but for now this is the plans the company are offering based on our network management.

 A lot of other rural carriers utilize towers for things like WISP and such and that's only a matter of putting something new up on the ground. With us we have to build and launch a satellite to expand. 

 With that said plans do rotate and change somewhat frequently so if nothing more exciting is available yet check back in a few weeks. We don't do a lot of fanfare when they do change though also because we let people stay grandfathered into plans if they don't want to change so I'd recommend the occasional peek in to see if something new is available. I unfortunately don't have an answer of when that will happen because a entirely different group of people make those calls and unless it's groundbreaking we don't know when that takes place just because it varies from beam to beam quite a bit and we have A LOT of beams.
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Once again, you already have higher priority data on more expensive plans.
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Brad, Viasat Employee

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yes.
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Liberty Pass is freaking sweet too.  I haven't been on it in a while thanks to the late night free zone, but when I used to use up my priority data, I would frequently get speeds over 5 mbps during the day.  The Liberty Pass is advertised as speeds up to 1 to 5 mbps.
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PlayOn Cloud. Record HD video anytime you want. Schedule the MP4 files to download during the Free Zone when you are sleeping. Problem solved.
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Have you actually been successful with that approach when you schedule the download for many hours in the future? I have not. Say I schedule a download at noon to be downloaded at 3:00 am during my LNFZ. That is 15 hours in the future.
By then the temporary link has expired for me, yielding access denied.
I know that you have tried this approach when the scheduled download was a short time after setting it up. But that is not practical for people who go to sleep early and their LNFZ does not start until 3:00 am.
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I don't use the temp link. I have the PlayOn Cloud storage option. So the link I get is not just temporary. Not sure how long the link is good for, but at least 24 hours.
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Are we talking about the same situation? I am talking about downloading to a Windows PC.

For me there are two necessary links to download one file from the cloud. The link sent by PlayOn Cloud to my email inbox lasts as long as I maintain an account with PlayOn Cloud. This "forever link" leads me to a temporary link, which can always be recreated from the "forever link". I have tried scheduling this temporary link with my download manager for the LNFZ. I have also tried getting past the temporary link by starting the download in my download manager and then pausing the download, and then scheduling this same download to continue during the LNFZ with my download manager. Neither of these cases have been successful for me.
Have you actually used the method you suggest to its successful completion? If not, try it and tell me your results. Schedule a download to your Windows PC  from PlayOn Cloud for 12 hours into the future and see what happens. I think then my comments will make more sense to you.

I have tried both PlayOn Cloud and PlayOn PC version many times now. Due to the above described limitation of PlayOn Cloud, I prefer to use PlayOn PC version. The download speed is limited by streaming considerations but the resolution is HD with no buffering in the recorded version. A 1-1/2 hour video usually takes me about 1-1/2 hours to download on my PlayOn PC, due to streaming, and takes about 20 minutes when I bypass my PlayOn PC and download the same file from the cloud without streaming limitations.
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IDK. I will have to experiment more.

I would like to use the streaming and record to PC option, but my Viasat internet is too unreliable performance wise to do that. The recording always locks and get stuck in an endless recording loop, at least for HBO Prime. This doesn't appear to happen with Amazon though and I use Nightshift for Netflix.
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You should look at Amazon prime Veteransat. It's not exactly downloading it to your PC but some titles can be downloaded to mobile for offline viewing and cast to a TV. In the case of Amazon channels I'm sure, if say hbo on prime content,  can be DL as such but it's worth looking at for your desired functionality.
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Yes. Amazon Prime will download to a tablet and you can then cast it. I played around with it. Not a big fan of casting.

Netflix will also allow select content to tablets now too. Not sure about other providers.
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M.E.M. looking at my tablet PlayOn Cloud now allows auto download of Mp4 files to the tablet during off-peak hours. It is still beta, but looks like that is an option now too.

So you could auto download the files to your tablets SD card during off-peak. Pop the SD card and transfer to your PC.

I know, jumping through hoops, but giving options. I am looking at the temp versus permanent link later today.
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Apparently from what M.E.M. has said previously, that's easier said than done on an IPad 2 and he's mentioned that beta feature- what are you using? From what others have said about iPads and some inflexibility in what I would consider a standard capability (as well as Apple in general but maybe it just requires shifting to an Apple mindset after all these years), I think I'll go with an Android tablet next once the wife's Surface dies or I more seriously consider the PlayOn Cloud option (whichever comes first).
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You can get a cheap Android tablet for less than $80. As long as it is running at least OS 5 and accepts a SD card, it is pretty sinple.

I can't speak to the Apple products. They are overpriced and overhyped. Give me a cheap tablet where if I break or lose it, give me another. This isnt the case with Android phones, but Android wifi only tablets are dirt cheap.
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Yeah basically the same thoughts let us know what you find about the temp vs permanent link. Specifically, what's not being said in this FAQ:  

How do I download recordings to my PC or Mac?

You'll receive a notification email when your PlayOn Cloud recording is complete. The notification email will contain a direct link to download the recording to your PC or Mac or any device you'd like. You can also request the email link be sent to you by viewing the recording in your iOS or Android app and clicking on the mail button.

The use of the term direct link has me confused and am not yet convinced I want to go out and buy a cheap Android so I can schedule and download using PlayOn Cloud   - I'm cheaper than even a cheap Android ;)
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That might work for you. There are many possible equipment configurations. In my case, I have an iPad 2 which does not have an SD card slot or a usb slot. I might be able to figure out how to cast from my iPad 2 but I prefer to use a usb inserted in my smart tv. I tried casting earlier this summer and I got video freeze ups. Additionally, the fast forward and fast rewind did not work from my smart TV when I casted.
I tried the beta version of the scheduling feature in PlayOn Cloud when I first got it thinking I would then be able to figure out a way to transfer the video to the PC without consuming data. 
There is another consideration that may only apply to me. My house and property are big. I like big things. I have multiple wifi extenders and access points for wifi connectivity in my house and several other buildings that I use for my personal entertainment. My Viasat modem and Asus router are in my office. I use my iPad mostly in my bedroom which puts a strain on the wifi transmission capabilities, causing my iPad wifi connectivity to struggle. This includes PlayOn Cloud downloads to the iPad. My house is two story. Did I say I like big things. The other buildings add several thousand more sq ft and are about 100 ft from the main house.
Stephen Rice likes fancy cars. I like to put my money in my house.

There are other considerations for me that may be the subject of another post. For instance, I have a movie theater room that is 32 ft X 20 ft X 20 ft. The screen is motorized and drops down from the ceiling. The screen diagonal length is 21 ft. The projector is high definition. I want to be able to use PlayOn PC to be compatible with this size screen but will need higher resolution than currently obtainable.  Here is a picture of that screen with my guests visible in the foreground. Did I say I like big things.

 (I am waiting for Jim16 to give me an unsolicited psychoanalysis of why I like big things).
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Um,  let me think on that for a while...
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Cheap android tablet. If you have an entertainment system like that, you can afford one.
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Yeah. what he said!
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And obviously, the bigger the better ;)
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Steelers vs. Green Bay in the Super Bowl!

Now we know where the Super Bowl party is next February!!!!
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Delorean's aren't fancy at all.  They are garbage.  Size matters too.  Glad to hear M.E.M. has that part of life figured out.