I believe that, if I pay for 12 GB per month and don't use all of it, that it should roll over to the next month.

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I believe that the customer should get what he pays for.  Why not start a rollover plan?  It might make your customers actually feel appreciated.
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You have 12 GB a month and don't use all of it?  Please talk to yourguytim, he needs a lot of help with that.

But to answer your question, no.
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Libertity 12gb I think.
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Can't you use the LNFZ to try to stay under 12GB? Maybe schedule big downloads for those hours? I know it's a pain in the arse but I was able to do it when I had a Classic plan. Your other option would be to upgrade to one of the new plans on Viasat 2.
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Ya but I like watching YouTube and do online gaming with my buddies once in while. (Online gaming after I use up 12gb). My data usually lasts a little over a week.
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Gaming and streaming will make short work of 12GB. We have a few plans that will give you a lot more that should be roughly around what you're paying. Go to account.viasat.com to see what's available. Do keep in mind that if you change plans that changing back may not be an option as some plans are no longer being offered and we can only put you on the current plans once you get off of a grandfathered plan
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Use a youtube downloader to download youtube videos during the free zone. If you want to leave a comment, go to the video and make sure the quality is set to lowest. Because it does auto play. (downloading may be against TOS of YouTube, but us rural people have no choice. Plus they will not know anyway).
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Viasat already gives you other perks.  You get the unlimited late night free zone from 3 am to 6 am, and should you go over your data, you get the Liberty Pass with speeds up to 5 mbps during the early morning and day.  No internet provider has rollover data, including Viasat.

I only used 10 GB of my 12 GB last month because I take advantage of the free zone.  I have no need for my unused 2 GB of priority data to be rolled over.
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Verizon has rollover w their data plan but you can only use it AFTER you use up current months data and it only rolls over 1 month and is the lost. While rollover sounds good, in reality is pretty useless. I can only see rare instances when it could be useful.

ViaSat has followed their wordsmithing of Unlimited so I'd be pretty sure they'd follow the same pattern should it be adopted.
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This might be a good idea.
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Rollover could, and almost certainly would, put too much strain on the present system.  The main thing people would do with the saved data is streaming, and at the typical times.  Too many people doing this would slow the system to a crawl, and even worse than some see during peak usage periods.  The data limits the system currently has is meant to prevent this exact type of thing, and allowing people to save data and use it to do data intensive activities would defeat the purpose of those limits. 
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How would this be any different than normal?
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As one of the original subscribers back in early 2012, I, like the others on Exede at that time, remember when Exede was having problems with the data meter being very inaccurate, so they temporarily disabled it until they could fix it. This lasted for a few months, and even though Exede had in the neighborhood of only 200,000 subscribers at that time, people were streaming and downloading like there was no tomorrow, and speeds often were down from the 12 Mbps we had been enjoying to speeds less than 1 or 2 Mbps. Once the  meter was fixed, our speeds returned to the 12 Mbps or more. Certainly allowing users free reign on their data consumption didn't take long to exceed the available bandwidth on VS1. Now move ahead to 2018, with nearly 600,000 subscribers, many are already experiencing very slow speeds, especially during the evening hours, which confirms that the throughput available on VS1, and even some beams on VS2, are at capacity. Allowing people to "bank" their unused data would only compound the problem, resulting in even slower speeds for those in the stressed beams.
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Unfortunately there's no plans at this time to utilize rollover data
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Then have your guys do a trial and test it out for like a few months.
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Unfortunately since you indicated previously that you typically exhaust your priority data in a week, you'd have nothing to rollover - be careful what you wish for, all those other people rolling theirs over would likely make things even worse for you when you hit Liberty Pass since they'd receive higher priority than you as they dip into their rollover data.

Some of us also offered the same warning when unlimited data plans were requested... be careful what you wish for and we've seen the result now. If one rolls over the remainder of his/her "unlimited data" does that mean it becomes "unlimited unlimited data" the next month? ;) How many months before it approaches infinity and beyond? 
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“It would make things worse for you when you hit Liberty pass”

Can’t get much worse than .06 mbps at 5:00
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Good morning all,

First i am old school, you know when if you got caught chewing gum in class it was a major issue, You would stay after school, clean the black boards, hmm what are they "google it".  I believe in waste not want not, i recycle a lot of things, try to pass on the Golden rule philosophy, being a Vietnam vet, i certainly support our troops, fly the flag most days etc., etc.

Having the 150 G, 25 plan, i pretty much don't have too much to complain about, certainly not data limits, speeds yeah, wifi piece of the modem combo kinda weak, but all in all i'm a pretty satisfied customer.

But even with a 3 to 6 LNFZ, 12 G of data is still pretty pathetic.  I know what scheduling is all about, stretching a dollar etc., but in today's environment the very limited data plans and speeds offered barely gets most "less than very savy" customers by.  And it is a shame, but the Sat technology/limitations etc. can't do much more for us considering the number of subscribers.

But today the internet is pretty much another household utility, could you imagine if you had to turn your lights or water off during the day/night, take a shower only between certain hours, not use any electricity during prime time etc. This would really suck.

Back in the day a lot of people I knew didn't have a car, I hitch hiked, walked, car pooled before that was ever a term.  So reviewing this forum and reading the same issues, lack of data and speeds is a real issue.  I ask my classes each semester, "how much data did you use last month".  They look at me like i have two heads, they have no idea.  As far as they are concerned there is no limit, they play games, download movies, stream anything anytime and still pay about 80 dollars a month.

They waste a lot of data because for them it is not an issue.

The internet is a resource for many things, school work, home projects, banking, other financial transactions, social, entertainment etc. and has become part of the fabric of our daily life.

So I don't down play any members who come on the board and don't read the fine print, hell I've bought and leased cars without reading every page of 10 or 15 documents.

But at present rural folks don't have many or any options, so you have to adapt, it sucks, but its necessary, basically Sat or nothing.

Even with the data I have and only using about 65 percent of it each month, I use my Verizon unlimited plan to download music, when i am in town, because even on a bad day, Verizon in town gives me 60Mbps, at home 2-3 mbps.  So even with my Viasat plan i still use a workaround, mainly for the speed issues.  By the way Verizon gives you 6 months of itunes for free, pretty good.


Hopefully sat technology, more sats in space, whatever will do something for rural users.  Also i mentioned before, the Broad Band rural initiative is real and if your county is slightly progressive and not run by a bunch of "Good ole boys" they and your rural power company should be actively pruning this.

In the meantime, lets all be helpful to one another and not mimic what i've recently watched in DC.

Best to all, adapt, and develop a plan for your data, use that free zone, how about one or two internet free days a week, unplug it, paint that bedroom, wax the cars, plant a garden, help a neighbor, you'll get some real stuff done and may even feel good about helping an old timer or a friend out.

And to  your question, rolling over data is an incentive to use your data wisely, rolling it all over does seem fair and i don't think there would be many roll overs because of most users having a very limited amount.  Visat could start off with allowing you to roll over 75% of your unused data for one month, if not used during that period roll over data would no longer be available.  If V finds they can't support it, i think they could, they could try 50%, this would still encourage users to conserve data and probably wouldn't have that much of an impact on the total system. And would show support for their customers.

75% Example:

I have a 12G plan, only use 10G, V lets me roll over 1.5 Gig, i think they could support that, after all they would let you buy 2G right,   I think the customer base would appreciate it and V might even get a few atta boys.

Peace ;)
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When I was a kid being raised in the trailer park, water was included in the lot rental fee.  For the most part it was "unlimited".  The owner of the trailer park didn't mind people using it for stuff like washing cars, filling up kiddie swimming pools and stuff like slip and slides.  Shoot, back then a lot of people had water beds.  Even that was okay with the land owner.

Eventually people started to abuse the "unlimited" water and would leave garden hoses running after washing their cars.  It was pretty obvious water was being wasted as it flowed into the street for hours on end.

The owner of the trailer park got tired of people abusing their use of water and had water meters installed on every trailer lot.  Instead of going up on the rent to pay for the misuse of water, people simply started getting water bills in addition to their rent.  I remember my dad saying it was their way of going up on the rent without going up on the rent.

It was good times for us kids though.  I was friends with the owner's grandson and we got paid $15 for each water meter we installed.  We didn't even have to do a good job.  We just dug a hole, dropped the meter in and a professional came by later to hook things up.  Good times.

If people want unlimited Viasat internet that never gets throttled, they have the option of signing up for a business account.  Speeds are never slowed down and you simply pay for every bit of data you use.

If Viasat were to take the restrictions off of their $70 unlimited plans, many people would stoop to the level of people in the trailer park where I was raised, and would simply waste data just because they can.  Some sort of prioritization has to be put in place to avoid this abuse.
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I often see this picture posted, but the bottleneck at the top is a perfect example of what would happen with data rollover and/or truly unlimited plans with satellite internet...

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It’s already bad after data is used up. Look how in the hell is the internet magically fine on priority data than is bad when used up. If they don’t throttle it it would work fine. This “congested” stuff is BS.
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Congestion is not BS. Internet may be fine for you when priority isn't used because maybe your beam isn't as congested. For others, they consistently see speeds of 1-2Mbps even when they don't hit their cap. Their beam is more congested. There is approximately 140Gbps in VS1 and almost double VS2. You can't simply have unlimited without everyone suffering.
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how in the hell is the internet magically fine on priority

A priority queuing system is considered possessing the following properties. There exist two populations of potential customers. One population of regular customers is infinitely large and its arrival characteristics are well-represented by a Poisson stream of constant intensity. The other population consists of a relatively small number of extraordinary customers. The arrival of each of these extraordinary customers is governed by an individual constant Poisson intensity. Service is given at a single station and regular customers on service are preempted by any arriving extraordinary customer.

Even I remember that from Queuing Theory 101 although I had to look up the definition ;)

Extraordinary customers in this case are those who can live within their priority data (those that can live within their limits are often extraordinary in this day and age). In Gabe's image they're in those 4 lanes at the far left or the far right EazyPass, while you were placed in the middle lanes immediately on exceeding your priority data. Buy more priority data (if your plan permits) and you'll be immediately placed back in the 4 left lanes (or the EasyPass lanes) or live within your limit. You're one of the guys in the middle trying to switch lanes by jockeying for position thinking it's going to help... it's only making things worse as can be seen if you look closely. You're the guy in the black SUV up front whose trying to switch lanes which has resulted in 4 blocked lanes further back as others try to avoid your bottleneck ;)

Does that make it any clearer for you? Nah, didn't think so traffic analogies always break down and are meant only to convey a concept not real life... once you can stay within your limit we can start talking about rollover which is a different subject covered in class 102 ;) Personally I'd always choose to go southbound in this case - going northbound might be a challenge unless those are reversible lanes on the left, but am sure someone would likely try to in this case - welcome to New Jersey! The Vince Lombardi Service Plaza awaits... what exit? 
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how in the hell is the internet magically fine on priority

Magic
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Believe all you want but they'll never let your data roll over
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How dare you make a suggestion on the companies forum......
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Explaining why the subject of a suggestion wouldn't work, or isn't possible, isn't saying people should't make suggestions.  
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In the few cases here where that would apply, my sarcasm isn't directed towards. But you sure told me.......
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If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you got. So trying something new will never work because it's never been done. Interesting.

With the logic of rollover data being paid for and not able to be used, the conclusion has to be that Unlimited data over and above priority data is not data you've paid for. Would you rather go to rollover data and eliminate Unlimited benefit?

Bandwidth is bandwidth, regardless whether it is 10 users at throttled speeds or 1 user at full speed. I tend to suspect more data is consumed by Unlimited plans than would be used up by rollover data from those folks living within their data budget.
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The question might be, would you be willing to pay more for the privilege of rolling over your data? Of course that's not what everyone wants in mentioning this, we're looking for something for nothing.

Of the few ISPs I've checked that offer do rollover data, plans offering rollover appear to cost much more than their similar plans that don't offer the rollover. For example, AT&T flex plans offer rollover with a fixed cap before a hard throttle at a maximum 20GB cap. At first glance, it appears you can have an unlimited plan with prioritization at 22 GB and no rollover for much less. You pay for that"flexibility". Maybe there are some exceptions.

Anything's possible but nothing comes free. Like I said, careful what you wish for and when it happens read the fine print.
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