How did I use 26GB in less than two weeks, when I was gone for 5 days and disconnected everything before we left?

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I'm beginning to see a pattern here...use up your data, and you have to purchase more. Sorry, Exede. I'm switching to Hughes Net Gen 5 next month, and I recommend everyone here do the same. They are offering (in my remote CO area) 25MB download, 50 GB data for $99 a month for 1 year. Then the cost will be $129, which is what I pay now for 12MB download and 25 GB data...half as much for the same price. Check it out, peeps.
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So you will just use up your data faster with the 25mbps speed unless you find out why you are using all of your data so fast.  Changing companies won't solve that problem, you'll just end up blaming Hughsnet for your data loss also.  Here is a person who wrote to the Gen5 forum on April of 2017.  

Gen 5 Problems!

"We just received our our Gen 5 service yesterday (50GB plan) which is supposed to give us better speeds compared to our congested Exede service. Unfortunately, we were only getting speeds of 0.28 Mbps download and 1.0 Mbps upload. I called tech support twice yesterday. The first call they told me that 5 Mbps download was about the best I could hope for. The second call (with 0.28 Mbps download) they PROMISED me that my speeds would increase to 25 Mbps within 24 hour. Well, it's 24 hours later and my speeds are hovering around 3 Mbps download.

 I've very disappointed in the new service and am ready to cancel and go back to Exede.  Is there a better way to get tech support than calling in?"


And the Hughsnet Forum is full of this complaint also....

"Having Data loss issues again, normal for my wife and I is about 1/3 to 1/2 of our 10GB per month, all of a sudden we are blowing through the entire 10 GB in 2 or 3 days and our internet habits haven't changed. we don't stream movies or music and only online for an hour or two at most per day."

You need to accept the fact that you are using your data and take steps to find out why.




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It's just me here. I don't stream movies. I don't stream music. I use the computer for online class. 2-3 hours a day. There's more to it than my usage. Too many people are saying the same thing. When I'm gone, I shut the power off on everything, because I live off the grid and don't waste my solar power. Sorry, still going to leave, because Hughes Net is less money for more data. Stupid to pay $129 a month and run out of data in 2 weeks. I can pay $99 and do the same thing, if that's the case. After data runs out, I can't even load a website, much less navigate it. One thing Exede is correct about-when you use up your data, your speed is significantly slower. Crawl, would be more like it.
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Shery,

Speaking from a unique perspective ..... I am a Hughesnet user and Community Champion of both Exede and Hughes Community support forums. I have well over 8000 combined posts with many of them related to missing or excess data usage.

Jim16 is correct. If you have data use issues now with Exede you will continue to have issues with Hughesnet or any other connection type that is anything other than unlimited.

ISP's don't 'steal' user data...... period.

Data is 'consumed" by devices connected to the users network, by software applications running on those devices and in some areas by 'hardware' itself in the form of cloud based services at the router level if enabled and potentially in firmware update/fallback loops.

Data can also be used by your system if you have a failing modem or ODU resulting in a large amount of transmission failures.

All of these issues can be investigated and eliminated. It just takes following a linear path.

I'm going to repost one of my previous replies that I hope will provide you with some insight to your network and the software that is running on it and how to identify what program/process is using your data.




If a user has a single computer connected directly to the modem it is a simple matter to see what programs and processes are using the data by installing the free version of Glasswire.

The inclusion of a router really complicates the issue because of the shear number of connection paths that it offers as well router security.

There has been a number of "sneaky" changes of late ....

Microsoft "telemetry" in Win10 as well as in Win7 and 8.1 depending on installed updates.

Some software that has undergone changes ... AVG antivirus now shares "telemetry"

Some versions of Nvidia video card drivers now sharing "user data"

Many mainstream websites that now load more Ads, perform frequent auto-refreshes, contain more Flash content and now have HTML5 video "pre-fetch".

Some serious router vuln erabilities that if not patched with firmware updates can leave a users network compromised. These would include Netgear, Linksys and Cisco routers.

It all depends on having a clear understanding of the "shape" of your network and connected devices.

I have previously posted the following. Hopefully it will give you a little better insight to your network and offer a roadmap of sorts to follow in finding your answer:


Networks, even residential networks are much more complex than most of us realize.

In the not so distant past routers and switches and "Networking" were pretty much limited to businesses and perhaps the more "geeky" subscriber.

A typical satellite users connection looked like this:

A single computer directly connected to the Modem. There is only one path that data can be used. There are no "cross roads" no chance of anything using data beyond those two devices.

Things however even at this level are more complex than meets the eye. That single computer by itself has 65,536 connection ports.

There are broadly speaking two things in play here:

Applications ... Those are PROGRAMS that we start .. we can see them running such as a web browser of an email client program.

A look at Windows Task Manager reveals:

Three running Applications:

An email client program, a web browser and an open file.

However a look at running Processes  shows something much more complex:

I currently have a whopping 102 Processes running in the background  unseen, unknown. Not all of these of course are going to be connected to the Internet at any given time. They "turn on", perform their function and turn off.

In our very simple "network" (single computer directly connected) we could install a program like GlassWire on that computer and it will show all data used by THAT computer and what programs and processes used that data:


Our simple Network now has two "measuring points":

Point A is going to be the point along the single "data path" that is monitored by GlassWire.

Point B is going to be the usage registered by the Modem as "traffic" to be charged against the user monthly data allowance.

The two values should pretty much coi ncide within reason.

It is possible to look at a usage meter that has yet to "refresh" or register the usage in the last few minutes.

It is possible for the ISP to have "compressed" data and a smaller amount is shown by the Modem as being charged against the allowance than indicated by GlassWire.


At this point the perimeters  are pretty straight forward:

Do the amounts measured at points A (computer) & B (Modem) match ?

If they do NOT and the Modem claims greater usage then I suggest the following process:

Take a screenshot of your remaining allowance (allow for data that has yet to be recorded)

Disconnect the LAN cable from the rear of the Modem and note the exact time.

Let a number of hours pass (overnight ?)

Reconnect the LAN cable and again note the time and the amount of remaining data. Again an allowance must be made for the usage meter to update itself. What we are looking for here is a major discrepancy.

In the event that A and B match then we have to conclude the all of the data used (and charged against the users allowance) was indeed used by the directly connected computer.

A careful look at GlassWire will reveal what program and what processes are using data.

There are many things that can be done to conserve data .. browser extensions that block ads and scripts among other things. Much easier to do once the source of usage has been identified.

As we look at the above example we can see plenty of opportunity for data use and this just by a single computer.

The problem is very few subscribers Networks look like the above.

This is more typical:


The above really multiplies the complexity. It offers multiple connection paths  and each of those by itself has the same complexity as the single computer shown in the example above.

We have to take a much closer look at the Router itself:

The router as a central point in the network has three potential data use avenues:


#1: Its firmware/hardware:

This would include automatic update checks, Remote Access accounts/vulnerabilities, WPS settings/vulnerabilities and "front end" username/password setup to name a few.

#2: Wired LAN connections and the types of devices connected as well as their settings. Specifically end users not understanding the differences between "hard off", "sleep" and "hibernate" as well as other system settings such as Wake On LAN, Wake On Ring and even extending to "scheduled tasks".

We need not even go into the details of forced updates and data "sharing" inherent to Win10 and being back ported to Win7/8/8.1

#3: We come to the most difficult to control ... Wireless activity (on each frequency dual/triple band routers)

We can start with what encryption level, if any, has been set up. We also need to consider the username and password that limits access to the routers front end so that unauthorized users can add themselves to the wireless users list. It needs to be changed from the default values.

We also have the multitude of settings of the many types of devices that can connect wirelessly be they computers, notebooks, tablets, cell phones or even thermostats.

It is often not apparent when all apps on all devices have had their update ability turned off. Very frequently an update will cause other settings to change to their default values.

Considering the number of "connection avenues" provided by a router it is mandatory that it be included in any troubleshooting steps ...

We have to understand the Router is at the center of the Network ...ALL OF THE CONNECTION PATHS  and ALL OF THE DATA USED have to pass through the Router therefore it I suggest a Router that allows the tracking of usage per device.

There are many brands and models available .. a user needs to research which one best serves the users needs.

I have a Asus RT-AC3100 that has traffic monitoring:

Main interface that has the routers options and displays among other things which devices are currently connected:


Which devices used how much data by IP and by date:


And a statistical analysis per device by the top consuming software or process:


One often overlooked area is usage by the Router itself in the form of its internal services:

I had enabled two of the above services and the router internally co nsumed nearly 1/2 GB within just several days.

Determining the cause of missing data or even excess use requires that a user have some degree of understanding their Network.



You may also wish to read the questions and responses to the following topics with a similar theme that includes details on using Glasswire and general information on data loss.


https://community.exede.com/exede/topics/have-glasswire-now-what?utm_source=notification&utm_med...


https://community.exede.com/exede/topics/need-a-mac-expert?utm_source=notification&utm_medium=em...





 

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I'll try your methods, thanks. But if I have twice the data, I might make it through the whole month!
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Hi Shery,

The above replies are accurate. Data can easily be used in a short amount of time (even unplugging the modem will cause a spike as the reporting isn't in real-time and it will "finish" reporting once plugged in).

 Without looking at your account I can't tell you where the data is going but just for example a feature length (2hr) movie you can easily use up 3-4GB alone. Even binge-watching through a very watchable series like Stranger Things or something like that would eat even more data and that can be something done in a single afternoon or weekend.

Even beyond streaming, simple websites have got to a point where they take a bigger bite out of data. Most local (and national) news websites almost always will try to play a video of the article you're trying to read. Those videos take a bit of data as do online ads (I think it's IMDB that will automatically play a movie trailer on some titles).  Even a step beyond that, your devices will try to update apps automatically and some of those can pack a punch. Windows 10 has been a constant thorn for some of our customers. Unfortunately DSL and Cable sort of modified the behavior of the internet but we are hoping to address that once ViaSat 2 is operational.

All of that of course is to point out that 26GB can easily be used in a short time, but I will be more than happy to talk to you one-on-one about this if you want to email me your information to exedelistens@viasat.com. From there I can review your data, see what days used the most and what happened and maybe that'll help connect the dots a bit and go from there.
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Thank you, but again, I don't stream anything...ever. I just purchased a new computer, and I'm thinking that might be the culprit. I'm going to check this out. But why can't you guys have unlimited plans, like cable does? I had Charter before I moved, and never had a problem.
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That might be the case. Probably a lot of updates needing to go through. If you email me at exedelistens@viasat.com I can check it for you. 

We're not able to offer unlimited like Charter because we have a completely different technology/method of delivering the internet. DSL (like Charter) and Cable uses wires that they can run underground and into homes. They can continuously pump data because their areas are relatively a short distance from a core node and they can easily expand by running more wire. With that said, they likely will not expand into small towns or rural homes due to the high cost of running wires and the lack of a return on their investment so as a result a lot of small towns and rural homes are left out (some are frustratingly just a short distance from their service area).

We do a satellite instead of underground wires and as a result can cover most of the USA. We can easily reach those areas that DSL/Cable can't or won't go to because all we need is a satellite dish to receive the signal. However our satellite does have a limit on how much bandwidth it can distribute and as a result data caps are put in place. Unfortunately in the last few years DSL/Cable sort of shaped how the internet runs as things like Streaming, online content became majorly popular, it made those data caps not stretch as far as they did a few years ago. The only way to "expand our infrastructure" is to add another multi-million dollar satellite. We are launching a new satellite on Jun 1st and after we get it situated in orbit and properly tested (it'll take a few months) we'll be able to offer more robust data plans to our customers as we'll effectively double our entire bandwidth.
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