Good test of Liberty Pass

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We had a really good test of the Pass portion of the Liberty plan over the past week.  When my son came home for break we were already on the pass and I told him to still be mindful of resolution most of the time but just go ahead and stream and do what he wanted online so we could see how well it worked.  I don't know if we were using enough to put is in the "slower" category but he was able to watch videos on Netflix with ease.  Also we got a Chromecast and set it up while on the pass, it needed an update and that was a little slow downloading but it completed and then worked flawlessly.  The only issue we had was a party game we were trying out over Thanksgiving didn't want to run correctly but that may have been due to our router having too many devices connected to it rather than speeds on Exede.  The only bad thing was we forgot when the data reset (whoops) and burned through half our 12 GB in a couple days (whoops) so we will get another really good test of how well the Pass portion works this month, though some of that could have been updates and such that he might have downloaded while here so the second 6 GB should go slower but it will still be really early in the period when we go over this month.  A couple speed checks off and on ranged from a low of 1.5 mbps to about 6.7 mbps all very workable for the majority of online activities.  We were very satisfied with how it worked this month.
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Jacqueline, thanks for the great reports on how the Liberty plan has been working. I am on Liberty now, but am not into the Pass zone yet. I was just wondering if you are able to check how much data you have used while on the Pass using the Exede meter. There was one report on the other forum that the meter stops at the regular data limit and does not register the additional usage. Thanks in advance.
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Download and install  networx and you can track all your data usage on hourly, daily, weekly, monthly basis.  you can also filter out your freezone usage, if useful, and, you can see exactly which applications used how much data for any given period of time
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Craig, I have used Networx for years, plus my ASUS router has Traffic Monitoring for ALL internet traffic. Networx is a very handy tool, more people should take advantage of it.
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Which ASUS router do you use?

Would like to find one that will keep track of each device individually.
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Ipad Wes, I have the ASUS RT-66U router. While the traffic monitor does a good job of keeping track of all internet traffic, it does not show individual device usages, just the total.
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That is correct Steve, once you hit the priority data cap your use is no longer shown.  It would be interesting to see how much is being used but since, in theory, there is no hard limit on the Pass portion I am guessing the time and expense of adding that information to the meter isn't something they are wanting to do, at least at this time.
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Thanks Jacqueline, that is what I suspected. It is not a problem for me, since my ASUS router has a great built in traffic management program and keeps track of my internet data usage from all devices.
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Jacqueline thanks for letting us know how Liberty Plan works in Liberty Pass. I haven't been there yet but am interested in all your comments. I know I like Liberty Pass. Was wondering what beam you are on if you don't mind telling me. 
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I am not sure what beam number it is,  but we live in southern Iowa.  I believe the entire state of Iowa is in the same beam.  Northern Iowa where it is much flatter has a fair number of good WISP providers (we have on at our place up there) but down here there are more trees and hills so getting a connection to one of those can be tougher.  But overall I am guessing that this beam is less full due to the competition from WISP providers in a large portion of the state.
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Jacqueline, here is the link to the beam chart.

http://www.northlc.com/_images/beam_priority_map.png

You are in one of two beams depending on whether you are in SE or SW Iowa. I am in beam 314, the western part of NY, we have always had speeds in the 18 to 21 Mbps range except in busy holiday times, so I don't think beam 314 is that heavily loaded.
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Thank both of you. I'm on beam 305 and live in MI more central and on west side of state. Just wondered if I ever hit Liberty Pass. We live in middle of farm land. Flat ground pretty much all around us.
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Thanks Steve,  I would guess we are probably in 309 but ironically I would also say both of our properties sit close to the border for the other two beams 302 on the north property, and 310 for this one.  
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I believe Jacqueline is on beam 309.
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Thanks Jacqueline for the post.  I am on Beam 329 and the Liberty Plan has recently become available here so I am flirting with the idea of switching.  I can keep our 3 desktops, 2 laptops, 2 tablets and 2 smartphones under my 15GB cap, but it requires constant vigilance, And although I am retired, this ol' body doesn't like the midnight excursions into the LNFZ. Because as everyone knows, "just a half hour" on the computer always turns into 2 hours or more.
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JEP - I am also on 329 and also looking into Liberty. I stay up, almost nightly, to do work (upload and downloads of small files), get one email account that often has pictures so i keep it off during regular hours. My life is run by the 15G Classic plan. For years I was on Hughesnet and never had to look at usage, a non issue and everything was connected to it, including a puppy cam when I had a litter. I can do none of that now. I am not a gamer, and large downloads are limited to software upgrades here and there. I have not downloaded Windows 10 because the updates will not work with my Classic plan, It looks like a lot of people on 329 are looking into this. I telework, so I need to be sure the pass speed is ok with a VPN. I really appreciate people giving their feedback on the Liberty plans.
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Spinninghorse - I have two desktops and one laptop on Windows 10.  Keeping them connected via WiFi instead of hardwired allows me to set them as metered connections and I can control when downloads occur (not just when installs occur), but then again, it is another baby sitting task. I was thinking about switching this billing cycle, but on Cyber Monday I got an Exede data glitch that zeroed my usage, so I picked up a free 7 GB this cycle.  I'm going to run that out.  :-)
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JEP, I have held off switching to W10 until many of the initial bugs died off, but am about ready to move up. Have you had any problems with W10 so far? Are you happy with it? Thanks in advance.
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Steve - The only problem I have had is with the metered connections, requesting the updates to be downloaded during the LNFZ.  The software doesn't always respond immediately when I give the go ahead to download.  Sometimes rebooting will kick start the download during the LNFZ.  Other times, I just leave the computer be, but put a block on the router to disconnect it at 5am.  Other than that, Windows 10 is pretty much what Windows 8 should have been.  I do run with a local login and only use the Microsoft login if I want to buy something from the Microsoft store, but that was the same with Windows 8.

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got tired of it....att made available with unlimited data with land line at less then half the price...guess what?
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Russell - Congrats on living somewhere that offers you a choice  of providers.  Some of us are a little more out in the sticks.
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For anyone on Beam 329.  I made the jump to Liberty Pass as soon as I checked on it over Thanksgiving and saw it was available.  Went from 15 Classic to 18 Liberty and after doing some remote work immediately hit my limit so I have updated to the Liberty 30 as I need to be able to work from home.  I had been staying 4-6 hours late every night at the office to use the high-speed there and then driving an hour home to start working there around 11:00 PM and continuing through early AM.  The change should let me get home at a reasonable time and not worry about the limit or having to wait until midnight to start working and hope that the LNFZ isn't too congested to get anything done.

I can say that the pass continued to give me usable speeds even after the limit was reached.  I really hope it continues to perform as is since this is the best plan for me.  The really interesting thing for me is I was in the LNFZ when I made the switch and found that when in the LNFZ it was hardly usable, however once I flipped the plan to Liberty (which gave me more data to use by the end of the month since I also upgraded the plan) I immediately saw full speed return.  After the limit was hit saw consistent 1 Mbps - 5 Mbps even during the "congested" periods.  There were times it was a bit slower, but still very much usable for the majority of what I need it for.  I am gladly trading in the late nights for the ability to do reasonable work with the Internet at most other times during the day.

Especially if you find you could use the connection in the morning and skip the staying up late, the Liberty pass would probably work great for anyone else.  I will see how the next couple of months go. Hope this helps shed some light on this for anyone else on the same Beam.  I know 329 has been and may still be the most congested for quite some time.  Maybe they got this straightened out and with the new sat in 2016 I am really, really, really hoping to see a cost reduction or data speed / higher usage allocations coming.
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Brian,

Interesting observation regarding behavior during the LNFZ while still on priority data.

On exede.com, there's some indication that it's possible to buy more priority data. Not that I'd be likely to do so (but never say never), can someone or the moderators confirm that?

While I'm on beam 329, it's through NRTC and would need to become a "new" old customer subscribing directly since it doesn't appear NRTC will be offering Liberty Plans. So I'm playing it a little more cautious since that will be a minor headache in a "new" install (albeit an easier one). 
  
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Old Labs, I am on the Liberty plan, and in the Dashboard, there is the option to buy additional priority data, just as there was on the Classic plan. Same price.
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Thank you, Brian. There are quite a few watching for feedback for Liberty on 329.
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So far so good on the Liberty Plan except for losing internet connectivity frequently since switching. It only drops for about a minute but haven't quite figured out why yet.

One question I would have for an Exede representative to answer is what are the advantages of going with the higher priced plans (which I myself have done) other than a greater amount of priority data)? Do those that pay for the higher caps also get more data allowance under the Liberty Pass before the severe slowing starts to occur? Seeing as how the "those that are heavy users" under the Liberty Plan is not very well defined, can someone shed some light on the guidelines to determine that measurement.

For instance if a Liberty 12 subscriber used 40 GB total in a month they would be over by 28 GB whereas a Liberty 30 subscriber would be over by 10 GB. Does Exede see both of these as being heavy Liberty Pass users or just the one and not the other? Does the measurement to determine heavy usage start from the point that Liberty kicks in or does it just have a flat measurement? In fact can Exede actually track and measure data usage during Liberty and Priority data or is it just measured as a sum total in the system.

Being on one of the most congested beams, unless bandwidth has been magically added or a large commercial contract lost, I am concerned that Liberty Pass will end up like the LNFZ where while the LNFZ was great early on, I was lucky to get 1 to 3 download speeds for the Free Zone period. Most of the time it was under 1. Switched to Liberty and that seems to have changed and now I get full speeds during what was previously the LNFZ (of course I still have Priority data as well - so I am assuming the LNFZ and EBFZ traffic is still prioritized below the traffic for those that still have Priority Data left).

Bottom line is I subscribed to the top tier Liberty to get better Quality of Life at home so I can work more at the house instead of staying at the office. That is worth the difference, however I would like to think that those that pay more for the higher caps also get the advantage of measuring data usage AFTER the pass kicks in before they are deemed heavy users. So if a Liberty 12 is considered a heavy user at a total monthly usage of 22 GB I would like to think an 18 user would be at 28 GB and a 30 user would be at 40 GB (the number s are just for reference- would love to know the real numbers used to determine heavy users).

Note to responders: I am certainly encouraging all users to share their thoughts and experiences, however please don't try to respond on behalf of a Exede with guesses or speculation. I really am looking for any hard facts or information from them. For anyone on Liberty in a congested Zone who tracks your usage, please share how much and speeds and see if we can extrapolate what Exede considers a heavy Liberty Pass users is. I prefer an official response but will take hard data if that is not possible.
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Brian - You sure ask a lotta questions.  But, those are questions I wonder about also, while teetering on the edge of abandoning forever the Classic plan for the Liberty.  I have to wonder about the pressure being applied to convert users to the Liberty plan, with even a $50 changeover bonus being offered.  I do think the LNFZ congestion has eased somewhat, but I don't know if that has anything to do with people moving to the Liberty plan or not.  It hasn't been offered that long in Beam 329 to be making a difference.  It kinda reminds me of the gas shortage days back in the 1970's when the "solution" was to go to odd-even days.  Really?  Were there that many people filling their tanks every day that it made a difference that they could only fill up every other day?  Back to Exede - I suspect that the heavy user thresholds and data throttling are not cast in stone, but are dynamic numbers that adapt to beam congestion levels.
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A 50.00 credit sounds great as an incentive, however I didn't see that when I switched. The thing is O don't know that I would go over much at the level I am at, but on occasion I do need to download rather large files that are a couple GB each. Unfortunately for me the LNFZ wouldn't ever be fas enough to finish.

I hope the change I made works for me.
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Brian--I'm on Liberty Pass 12 and like it. But haven't wen t over yet so can't say what Liberty Pass would be like. But I'm thinking that maybe if your on a congested beam and got into Liberty Pass might be slower than some one who was on less congested beam because the people who still have data are going to get the good speed first since they still have data. Just my thought. 
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So far so good. I am still in my allowance but a speed test a day or so ago got 20 Mbps speeds. That was just that one. All since have been in the 10 or so range - even during the peak times. I can only guess by opening Liberty and with them offering a premium 25 Mbps plan for other area Exceed has either found a way to increase capacity and throughput on their network or they have lost some commercial space and are now selling to consumers. I think I read somewhere that some airlines used their service. Maybe that has changed. I don't know but am happy since I switched. I am getting better performance than I did with the classic plan. For the day or so I was over before switching from the 18 to 30 plan I still got the advertised one to five speeds they claimed during the most congested times of day (7 PM to 9 PM was when I was testing). Certainly did not notice any problems browsing and downloaded a few hundred megabytes of driver files in reasonable time. Both of which I had been unable to do even during the Free Zone previously.

So far so good but I am not sure unless Windows decides to release another massive update this month that I will go over again. We will see and once I do I will post back. Connection issues seem to have abated except for today which I understand was due to an outage affecting our area.
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Good info for those of us on beam 329 and will leave your later post untouched so it doesn't get lost in the white noise since curious minds want to know that answer ;)

From your prior posts it appears you and I are geographically close (South Stafford for me and as far south as one can get without getting my feet wet in the Rappahanock). What kind of signal strength do you get? After removing some trees and having the dish re-peaked best my installer could get was 7.8 on a good day. More than sufficient and guessing it's largely a function of proximity (or lack of) to beam center. FWIW, another poster on the other forum reports he went over 41 GB on the first month and Liberty Pass speeds remain in the upper portion of the 1 - 5 Mbps range as advertised.          
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Old Labs - I am near Port Royal and my SNR runs ~8.6 during the day, but climbs to ~9.2 during late evening, especially in the Fall & Winter months.  I figured it was the relative humidity in the air that caused a few tenths of a dB difference.