Classic 15 -> Liberty 25? What is your take now that it has a 3 hour free zone?

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I'm thinking about swapping over. Anyone have any comments as to why I shouldn't ? It seems like it'd save a few dollars and give us a little more data and not so strict when we go over.

However, we lose 2 hours of a free zone..... Which lets face it, 12-3 is bogged down in my area anyway and I don't see 2.2 Mbps anymore till about 4 AM. I'm thinking I could get more done during 3-6 anyway now in my area.
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It was for that same reason I switched. Free zone was relatively unusable  until 3:00 AM or so, and I gave up very little in the way of free zone (actually gained an hour of usable time). As more people switch I fully expect it to bog down once again but hopefully the new satellite will be online buy then.

I've only gone through a one month cycle, forced DAP on the last day of the month (all day Saturday during the summer - usual peak usage time). Speed was about 1 Mbps during the day but usable. During prime time in the evening it was about .1 Mbps slow but usable for the basics. Didn't check free zone speeds under DAP since it was the last day of the month.

This month I'll be forcing DAP during a week day to test it out further.

As long as I can get reasonable speed in the 1-5 Mbps range during day hours under Liberty Pass and normal speed during the shortened Free Zone I'm good with it.

Just remember that once you hit Liberty Pass, it appears that traffic is both throttled and de-prioritized - it's the impact of that de-prioritization on a crowded beam that can't be easily predicted - on an overly crowded beam during peak usage periods you'll spend a lot of time at the back of the queue while those not restricted keep jumping in line ahead of you. In theory at least and from your point of view the line will be at a standstill.        
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What do you mean, "forcing DAP"?

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Old Labs means that he just consumed data to get past his priority data for the cycle so he could see what speeds he gets while in the Priority Pass mode of his Liberty plan.
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Intentionally exceeding my data allowance in order to determine the impact on my performance (specifically I was sitting at about 10 MB away from the threshhold and did a 12 MB speed test - within 15 minutes my modem rebooted - presumably to throttle my speed down to the upper 5 Mbps of the range and Liberty Pass was then active).

Last month I did that on the last day of the cycle, which happened to fall on a Saturday. Historically all day Saturday/Sunday during the summer months is peak period on my beam - as a result speeds are slower regardless (e.g. right now a speed test showed 6.9 Mbps for me which is pretty typical on Saturdays even though I have yet to exceed the data allowance) - as a result I don't expect the 1 - 5 Mbps would even be achievable if on Liberty Pass.

This month (on Monday) I'll be intentionally exceeding my allowance on the last day of the month (probably on Sunday night so I can further test the free zone). I'm plotting right now how to best make use of the 1.5 GB I'll need to burn to get there... 

During the daytime and on weekdays, my normal speeds are regularly 12 Mbps or above until around 4:30 PM. Once I test again on Monday, I expect to attain the 1 - 5 Mbps claim.

The 1 - 5 Mbps claim is impacted more by the de-prioritization and length of time spent waiting at the back of the queue.

So far Liberty has lived up to the claims, the shortened free zone is working as advertised (i.e. the only real claim is that data is not counted toward usage and speeds for me have been in the 6 Mbps range during free zone - speeds have never be guaranteed during the free zones - just that normal speed will resume - it's an all you can eat buffet and too many are chowing down on the free eats). During evening hours, speeds have been in the 3.3 Mbps range. That was the case before switching to Liberty for me - the capacity just isn't there to maintain 12 Mbps (let alone 25 Mbps) during peak usage periods. Once you do go into Liberty Pass it's not surprising to me that the capacity just isn't there to maintain 1 - 5 Mbps when coupled with de-prioritization.

For me the first month experience on Liberty Pass was bearable (although not thrilled with it). But then again, I've put a lot of effort into eliminating all of the waste and unwanted data appearing on today's bloated web sites and cutting down on the unwanted traffic yields not only lower data usage but also better performance and utilization of what little bit of shared bandwidth I do get when on priority data or Liberty pass. I anticipate this month will be about the same during peak hours and better during non-peak hours.

For me Liberty Pass is just a convenience in the event I do go over my priority data and would allow me to defer some heavy data usage until the end of the month (or free zone). I went into it with eyes wide open, knowing full well it wasn't intended as as unlimited usage at a lower speed (despite marketing hype) - and the major reason for my switching was simply more data for less dollars.    
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How did you notice your modem reboot? I don't think I have ever seen mine do that? Do you have to watch the lights or is there another way to tell?
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Watched the modem status page at:

http://192.168.100.1/?page=modemStatus
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.1 Mbps = about what KB/sec ?
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100 Kbps = 12.5 KBps

About twice as much as what you could actually get out of a 56 Kbps dial up modem back in the day - without the noise ;)

P.S. The only reason I'm up right now is because I got up at 0500 to update Windows and Office on 3 machines - an hour was sufficient. You satisfaction in switching will probably be a result of how much you can shift usage to daytime off peak hours while on Liberty Pass. I'll know whether I'm satisfied in another 9 days.    
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I don't think I'd be going over data normally.

I set Steam to update during 1-4 right now, I'd change that on to 3-6 .  Steam also has started pausing and resuming game downloads too, but I don't really trust that yet.
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For me it was pretty much a no-brainer that came down to more data for less $$$ with a simple phone call. My use of free zone has been minimal for quite awhile now and the shorter free zone period fits my requirements. For any heavy lifting all my devices are now portable or mobile and I can stop by the library, Wawa, McD's,  etc. I never go over the monthly allotment anyway but may be less concerned about it if my testing in a few more days is successful. Of course, I'm in the position to shift most if not all of my use to the daytime hours if needed so choose wisely and as always YMMV.     
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Yeah I'm just wondering about it.  I think it'd suit me if I can get up and do Windows Updates during 3-6  and the stuff that I'd want manually done, like youtube videos, etc.
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I went ahead and changed over.  I see 1.1 - 2.2 Mbps more often (after about 3:30 anyway) now.

I set the RouterOS on the routerboard to bring up WLAN1 at 0300 and cut it off at 0600 so if the smartphone needs updates too it can do it if I fell asleep before 3.
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"I set the RouterOS on the routerboard to bring up WLAN1 at 0300 and cut it off at 0600"

Is this a standard router feature? What's your router? Routerboard sounds like changing DIP swithches?
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Thanks!
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Just to followup on my second month's experience today (Monday 7/24/2017) on Liberty Pass...

Throughout the day up until about 5:00 PM, my Liberty Pass speeds were consistently in the upper part of the 1 - 5 Mbps range. Pretty much as I'd anticipated on a weekday during day hours.

Right now (and again pretty much as expected) 337 Kbps during the height of prime time.

Didn't get up early enough to check Free Zone this AM while on Liberty Pass but even when not on Liberty Pass it's been a bit sluggish - I guess you really can't make enough free stuff and eventually do run out of it.

As always YMMV, and I attribute some of the better browser usability I experience even at 337 Kbps to my data conservation measures that eliminate unwanted and unneeded traffic. 

Tomorrow I reset...
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Well, I'm going to give it a workout.  the new DOOM was on sale for $15, so I got it.  58.1 GBs.
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Just remember that actual download speeds also depend on the server you are downloading from so, getting Doom may be slower or faster than a speed test indicates.
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Steam Dallas and Houston normally aren't bogged down.. It's normally the sat that's bogged.
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Interesting, I pulled 16.5 GBs is all..