Bypassing "unlimited" streaming video throttling

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I can download Youtube videos and from other sites.  That means, I would would be able to download them at any speed (say, 200kbps), and watch them later in 1080p or higher resolution, on my nice big screen.  The new data plans are ''''''optimized'''''' AKA throttled to very low resolutions.  I'm just wondering if downloading videos as described will be somehow prevented, or is this a good plan to get around the resolution throttling?  I am on a 10G plan right now, but I can watch Youtube at 1080p after midnight.  I would hate to give that up.
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What you are doing is perfectly fine. That's what the new plans are designed to allow you to do.
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Okay cool, then I won't be afraid of switching to an unlimited plan if they offer one in my area (:
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I have tried downloading movies and TV shows off Netflix, but they are throttled to what download speed would be required to stream 480p. Netflix downloads at around 1.5 Megabits per second. It makes sense why, I imagine they just see packets being sent from Netflix so they throttle it. Streaming is essentially downloading the movie as you watch it. You can download just fine, but the speeds are painfully slow. It took me an entire night to download a movie in 1080p off Netflix despite having good speeds. :(  
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Concentric Circles posted this on another thread.

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/54816
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Thanks Timmy, yes I suspected that's what they might do when they see data coming through from Netflix.  Glad to have it confirmed.  I was just afraid we'd be unable to download the high definition at any speed.  I don't really care about that, as long as it works.  I'm used to downloading overnight.  I even think it's reasonable, as long as we end up with the high definition video in the end.
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Keep in mind there are a couple ways to get Netflix content. One way is to capture it via Playon or Nightshift. That basically just captures a stream, and that will be at a reduced resolution limited to whatever your plan has. The second way is to download content to a tablet. I believe that way won't be restricted video.
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Well, the moral of the story is that there is no speedy way to receive 1080p video on the new unlimited plans. You could use Playon or Nightshift with the new unlimited plans and be throttled to the resolution that the plan is optimized for, or you could download from Netflix at the speeds in which it would be required to stream the optimized resolution.  
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Another way is to use PlayOn Cloud, they download for you and store the downloaded content in the cloud. After which, they just send you a link which you can use to go download the content from a smart device (phone or tablet) or from a browser on your PC or Mac.

It's .20 for a recording credit and they have sales all the time. The last sale I think I ended up getting 100 credits for ~ .16 per credit. Recording credits are good for 1 recording (TV episode or movie).

You still need to have an account with Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, etc in order to use the service.

I prefer it because I am not tying up my computer and because I end up with a finished product to download. If there are issues with the download, they just do it again (it has happened to me once or twice), so you're not "wasting" your bandwidth on a download you need to do again - you just go fetch the finished product once its done.

EZ - PZ.

One other related point... don't assume "unlimited" data = "unlimited" speed. The current usage cap is 150Gbs monthly and once over, you're "de-prioritized" which crimps any net access, not just streaming or downloads. So, IMHO, "unlimited" <=> "un-capped". There's a cap, all right... hopefully, options will soon be available offering better usage caps, but currently 150 is the best you can get.
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Rique, PlayOn Cloud recordings from Netflix are 720p for me.  Granted I haven't done many yet (around 20).
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Rique, PlayOn Cloud recordings from Netflix are 720p for me.  Granted I haven't done many yet (around 20).
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The throttled experience of the unlimited plans are likely to be much, much better than what I get when unthrottled on the Wildblue satellite I'm on now.
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Ditto for what Ken said.  I've got over a thousand Playon recordings.  I recently discovered that they highest Playon records in is 720p.  That's perfectly fine for me.  
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Ken, Stephen, good point. We also download at 720. It’s perfectly fine on our 60” HD Samsung (capable of 1080). I’d prefer 1080, but we enjoy our .20 movies and TV episodes just fine at 720p.

EDIT: Actually, recently they’ve been .16 movies and TV episodes.
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You should be OK. That applies to streaming. Downloading shouldn't be affected
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Brad, Employee,

Respectfully request permission to inform users how to circumvent the video "optimizer" on unlimited plans.  I won't do it if you decline.
 
I will always ask permission before posting "work-arounds", yes, respect.
 
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As long as it's legal and not another round of fake photoshopped plans knock yourself out. 
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(Corporate will be taking notes...)
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Would love to hear it Judge and Jury, although if you really have anything good they'll cut if off if you say lol
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I mean a guy brought up Kodi last week which can be very gray area depending on what you do.....
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the program i use is an IDM A.K.A internet download management. here is how it works... you HAVE to buy the license key... i gots the lifetime key for one computer :3 so when i did install it... i had to go onto my sparrow browser and make it able to go into incoginite then enable the idm addon... then... when i tick that lil box... its gonna work... so i had to restart my sparrow browser and its working...

NOW!!! HERE COMES THE EASY PART!!! :D WHEN you do go to a youtube video... when its get done loading... well somewhat loading... there will be a lil box above the video... itll say download video... just click onto that and itll give you what format you want to download... like 380p 480p 720p fps 1080p 60fps depending onto what format is avaible :3 and they are MOSTLY into .mp4 formats...

i use vlc to load my downloaded youtube videos and other animes i download from other websites... and i can watch it onto my computer :3 BUT!!! i have a portable hard drive... cause my main computer only has about... 15gbs left of space... BUT!!! i just transfer my animes onto the portable hard drive... and once they transfer over... i tend to always watch them onto my xbox one :3

DONT WATCH IT ONTO YOUR PS4!!! CAUSE ITLL ASK YOU TO REFORMAT IT!!! I DID IT THINKING I HAD COPIES OF THE ANIME!!! BUT!!!! i didnt ;-; so i had to learn that the hard way ;-;

BUT!!! idm is a perfect downloading ANY videos from ANY websites :3 even youtube :3 so therefore i DONT have to keep re-watching the same thing if i choose to watch it again sometime... so therefore it wont eat up my gbs when i re-watch it :3

here is the link to the idm program if yalls wish to buy the lifetime license :3 been using this over 1 year and a half :3 SO FAR I LOVE IT!!! :3

here is the link!!! AND YOUR WELCOME!!! :3

https://www.internetdownloadmanager.com/ 
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If you have a fast connection, you can use a VPN to watch your videos at whatever resolution your connection will support.  You've heard that before, so, nothing new here to see... move along.  EXCEPT, there is one VPN that can do the job.  I've tested many VPN's and this one is fast like no other and it will work with Viasat.  If you have a congested, slow connection, don't bother.

GoldenFrog Vyper VPN.

It is the fasted VPN I have ever tested.  It will work fine but don't put your privacy trust in them.  They DO have connection logs so if you are into the "Dark Net" or want to do something stupid with your Internet, there will be a record of your activities. If you want to stream fast and not have Viasat throttle your video, this is the one to get.   You can subscribe with a 3 day free trial so if it doesn't work well enough for you, simply cancel.  The more expensive of the two offered is the one to get because NetFlix can detect most VPN's and won't allow you to watch anything.  The better of these two fools NetFlix so it's worth a few bucks more.  Oh yea, this thing isn't free. When setting it up, use the ChameleonTM protocol. 

No matter how fast this VPN is, it should not be seen as a way to speed up your connection for those of you who think a 3rd party application should be able to do that.  NO, that would be magic, this is reality.  Your connection is actually going to slow down a bit, but not badly like other VPN's will do.

I don't have an unlimited plan.  Save the "Boo's"  I can turn on the so-called video optimizer with my plan.  I tested this with my optimizer on and streamed 1080p from Netflix and Hulu both with no problem.  

If you try this, the server you should connect with should be the one closest to your Beams' ground station Internet entry point.  Go to Speedtest.net and it will usually show the default test server that is very near your Viasat entry point because that's where it thinks you are.  If you use a server in a foreign country, all bets are off and bad results are guaranteed. 

I am not a subscriber of the Vyper VPN, I only tested VPN's.  I do have another VPN that I use regularly and it is slow, but that VPN is what my employer demands when I work from home.  Try this one out, you've got nothing to loose.
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And then of course, recognize that you will most likely reach your priortization threshold quicker and suffer the consequences of that - but yeah, it works until then if you neeed a 1080P fix ;)
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Oh... did I forget to mention this will devour your data in the process?  OOps, but yea, it won't take long for your plan to go into the low priority mode and then this won't be of much good to you until next month.
 
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I'm sure that was simply a marketing oversight.
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Of course!   I'm buying stock any day now and I've got to look out for my investment.
 so yea, burn that data baby, make daddy rich!
 
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My data is going to go in a few days anyway, on the plans I can afford.  I don't care about priority speeds, I only really care about throttled/prioritized speeds.  I found out a while back that the limits are so low it's just not worth trying to save bandwidth.
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Limits are low?
As in it slows you down a lot, or you hardly notice?
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I don't know yet.  I got a plan with 40 GB, and in two days I should be on the low priority list, so we will see then.  On my previous plan, I was limited to approximately 60 to 70 kbps when throttled: no video, many web pages refused to load.  I do know this wasn't due to real congestion on the network, it was just throttling.  So hopefully, it will be much better. 
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keep us updated on your new throttled experience
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My experience may not be typical, since I'm probably on the old Wildblue satellite in 84536
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Update: I used up my 40 Gig.  Everything still works fine, even video.  The only page that won't load is Viasat's account management.  Gobsmacking, that.  I still never get more than 1.5 mbps
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Was your dish realigned to point in a drastically different direction (i.e. towards Viasat-2)? If not you're still on the older satellite; and interesting to note that "Unlimited 12 Mbps" plans are being offered in that Zip Code on what were considered 5 Mbps augmented beams.
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Are those augmented beams on a decade+ old satellite even capable of 12Mbps????
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Apparently more than that if I believe a speed test that was posted for beam 163 by Jab a while ago - 19 Mbps as I recall imagine having an entire beam to yourself. I'd sign up for the Gold 12 and not even be worried about (de)prioritization ;) 

Then of course remember it is "up to" and 5 Mbps would qualify as would 1.5 Mbps ;)

Location, location, location... coupled with capacity, capacity, capacity... I guess.

 
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Exactly, but at least now they are not throttling me down to max 60 to 70 kbps when I go over the 10 GB/mo.  They always had the bandwidth, they just throttled heavily.  I don't believe it was congestion.  I mean, the day after they get new plans presto, no congestion. 
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I assume you were on one of the Classic Plans and after your allowance yes it was a hard throttle - I remember those days (even worse on WIldblue) , now it's prioritization ;)
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Yes, that's right (:
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The bottom line in my opinion, is that ViaSat should have designed VIASAT 2 for all of their customers to stream 4K videos, 24/7. I know that may seem to be a reach today, but believe me, 4K will be the norm and standard demanded in less that a year from now. If they have not done that, we will all be complaining about the same throttling issues that represent a fair amount of chatter/frustration in these forums. My two cents.
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That's more the goal for ViaSat 3 sometime around 2020. 4K unfortunately uses A LOT of data and it really came to a question of do we want to allow that but bring back hard data caps or offer flexible soft caps with resolution restrictions? The answer I feel was obvious. Unfortunately a limitation of the technology is that there's a very finite amount of bandwidth on the satellites. We can't continuously pump bandwidth at will like cable or DSL which is why they're able to offer 4K streaming.

(Note: me saying I feel the answer is obvious is in NO WAY an indication that I make these decisions, I just answer questions :)  but bandwidth is exactly why 4K isn't offered now)
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Unlimited Rhodium has a nice ring to it ;)

Unfortunately I'll have to keep my Liberty Lead 12    
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I'd be happy if my Unlimited Silver plan acted like it did last night ALL of the time. I was streaming at 1080 and, only once in the hour I managed to do it did it buffer for about 1 minute. (was also rocking a steady 34 Mbps all evening.) Now that's great Viasat internet. :)
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Brad, just so I understand correctly, are you saying watching 4K video will not be possible from ViaSat now and that we will have to wait for ViaSat 3?
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That Internet download manager is some amazing stuff. I downloaded the Pretty in Pink movie and it only took 20 minutes.
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Off of what service?
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Liberty 12, m4ufree.tv, and Internet Download Manager.

I woke up this morning and to my pleasant surprise, everything I scheduled was downloaded this morning from 3 am to 6 am.

My Plex server now has The Breakfast Club, Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, Contact, and the Back to the Future trilogy.

Everything appears to be in standard definition but I'm not complaining.  I downloaded 4.6 GB of content in less than 3 hours.
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I am not up on this stuff so have a question. Did you use your playon/later to set up the download during your 3 to 6 time slot or does IDM set that up for you
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Playon downloads Netflix stuff from 3 am to 6 am.   

IDM downloads video from websites from 3 am to 6 am.   Basically when I go to a website with video such as m4ufree, IDM puts a button on the video offering to let me download it.

I use Plex to stream the saved content to my Roku device.
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That IDM is some pretty amazing stuff.  IDM and my Playon server managed to download almost 18 GB of content during the Late Night Free Zone from 3 am to 6 am this morning.

I've currently used 49 GB of data this month on a Liberty 12 plan.  I was up for a bit this morning and it was pretty freaking amazing to see Viasat download 1 GB files in less than 30 minutes each.  
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And I currently have 5 GB of priority data left for the month.  I would have more priority data available, but I decided to experiment with IDM during Primetime a couple of days ago.  
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Just finished watching Short Circuit 2 in 720p. It's a shame they don't make good movies like that anymore.
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Just don't go around calling people "Laser Lips"...that might cause some rowdiness in these forums
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To the moon ALICE!
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Are playon recordings protected?
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Are playon recordings protected?
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Not sure what you mean. They don't disappear if thats what you are talking about.
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Should have been more specific. I mean can you play them with any player after recording like kodi for example
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Pretty much. Playon records using the mp4 format.
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PlayOn Desktop is on sale now for $29.99 ($40 off)
https://www.playon.tv/
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Thats a good deal.  I think I paid $50.
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It is a good deal. I picked it up. Something to play around with with the Roku I got on Black Friday.
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Bev, I agree that is all that you can expect from a Sat company, but it is far from the norm of 99% of Viasat's customers.  If it were we'd all be :)

Deb forget 4K, we just V2 in operation? And things aren't really any better, if they were you wouldn't have this constant barge of dissatisfaction postings.

Have you ever heard Pie in the Sky, well substitute space for sky.

Let see offer fantastic service (really just what we advertise and what they are paying for) for our current customers, OR sell a lot more contracts...... hmmmmmmmmm, maybe a compromise, give the current customers a little more, after all it is UP TO 25 mbps and sell a million more contracts, yeah that's the ticket. :)